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ILGLEANER 
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 Posted: 06 Mar 2017 at 6:38pm |
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180/190/190xt is 19 1/8 inches wide inside the frame rails Tom.
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Dale-OH
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Posted: 06 Mar 2017 at 1:29pm |
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I had a customer who used one out of an oliver in a 190.
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tomstractorsandtoys
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Posted: 06 Mar 2017 at 1:19pm |
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I have been reading this post with interest as I like the looks of a narrow front 190.I just went to the AGCO site and printed the parts page for the narrow front 190. The design and looks of the front boltster is almost the same as the Deere used in 3010,3020,4010 and 4020's. I couldn't believe how close to the same it looks. Could someone tell me what the width of a 190 is? Are the xt's the same? I have several Deere steering assemblies and do believe they could be made to fit. I would even donate one to someone who could do the machining to make it work.They would be heavy to ship.Unless the Deere is to wide I think it is a very doable project. Does anyone know the height of the Allis pedestal? I have a few Deere rollomatic front ends that I could measure as well. Someday I want a 190 and if this project will work I might sell my D15 and start hunting for one. Anyone with any ideas post back. Tom
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Posted: 06 Mar 2017 at 10:18am |
 Orange Blood wrote:
If I may, and I am sure I will be blasted for offering a different opinion.
There was only one front housings for the 190/190xt tractor. That being said, the tractor could be ordered with the front support "loaded" with the power steering ram inside, misc. lines a steering spindle etc. this version of the front housing was called an "Interchangeable front axle". The other option was the same front housing, missing the internal parts, replaced with an external mounted steering cylinder, and a steering arm pivot mounted on the front end assembly itself under the oil pan. The latter is what you find on most tractors, likely because it was cheaper, and by that time most all row crop tractors were running wide fronts, with few narrows left in the world, so what was the point, likely a question asked by many a farmer ordering the tractors new.
The front end housing with the internal steering 1. was a better design in that it kept forces off the front end which IMO added to breaking so many front ends, or could be the sole reason. 2. allowed the use of the narrow front wheel assembly.
We have an interchangeable front 190xt, been a family tractor since new, have the receipts from the family dealership, and know it's history. Yes we have the narrow front to got with it, and no it's not for sale!  If we could find a real single front, that would be awesome, but never going to happen. |
When I lived out in Colorado, there was a blown up 190xt near me that I tried to buy, but they were not able to sell it because of legal troubles I think. It was a wet bolster, interchangeable front end tractor, series 1. Seems like it was a 66 by sn. I have often wondered what ever happened to that one, I've been gone from there for well over 20 years. It had a wide front, and a cab. Was a few miles south of Roggen on the east side of the road. Sat there for years!
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Posted: 06 Mar 2017 at 9:14am |
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We (me) dropped our XT wide front in a blown out tile hole and broke the left rear corner.At night plowing new rented ground. Dad just laughed and said"the worst thing that ever happened to agriculture was putting headlight on tractors.Now you can hire the town drunk and farm twice as much" I dont Think he meant me...........?????
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DrAllis
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Posted: 06 Mar 2017 at 7:18am |
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The "inter-changeable" front support was an OPTION and cost more $$$$$$$$. Allis-Chalmers probably sold more tractors with wide fronts than anyone, and partly because of lower cost. Broken wide front axle frames at the left rear corner could have been eliminated with 5 lbs of extra steel bracing and interestingly only about 50% ever break. Makes me think those that were broken were somehow used more stressfully than others ?? I'll take the external cylinder any day over the internal design for simplicity and ease of repairs when needed.
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Posted: 05 Mar 2017 at 7:57pm |
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I have a Narrow Front OneNinety. The power steering lines run along the left side above the removable side panel. The standard wide fronts have the lines and hydraulic hoses run down the right side frame rail to the steering cylinder. Interestingly the BeachMaster OneNinetys have the internal steering convertible front casting. Because of the short spindles and the job application it was likely so the hydraulic lines would not get snagged on any beach debris. Also not for sale!
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Posted: 05 Mar 2017 at 6:57pm |
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First wondering is, Is it possible to "barrow" a narrow front for a 190 and use it to make some green castings and then get them machined out for those that want the front support...
Which leads to the second wonder somebody asked awhile ago,.. would it be possible to make an adapter that would accept the JD rollomatic off of a JD 4010 or 4020... or 730... might be easier on the front support.
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Posted: 05 Mar 2017 at 6:41pm |
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A guy about 60 miles North of me has one but don't think he would sell it!---with narrow front you could probably use the late ac mounted corn picker. thanks; ac fleet
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Posted: 05 Mar 2017 at 4:50pm |
If I may, and I am sure I will be blasted for offering a different opinion.
There was only one front housings for the 190/190xt tractor. That being said, the tractor could be ordered with the front support "loaded" with the power steering ram inside, misc. lines a steering spindle etc. this version of the front housing was called an "Interchangeable front axle". The other option was the same front housing, missing the internal parts, replaced with an external mounted steering cylinder, and a steering arm pivot mounted on the front end assembly itself under the oil pan. The latter is what you find on most tractors, likely because it was cheaper, and by that time most all row crop tractors were running wide fronts, with few narrows left in the world, so what was the point, likely a question asked by many a farmer ordering the tractors new.
The front end housing with the internal steering 1. was a better design in that it kept forces off the front end which IMO added to breaking so many front ends, or could be the sole reason. 2. allowed the use of the narrow front wheel assembly.
We have an interchangeable front 190xt, been a family tractor since new, have the receipts from the family dealership, and know it's history. Yes we have the narrow front to got with it, and no it's not for sale! If we could find a real single front, that would be awesome, but never going to happen. |
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Posted: 05 Mar 2017 at 2:39pm |
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Thank you, happen to know if anyone has one for sale?
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Posted: 05 Mar 2017 at 2:32pm |
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Yes they will, 180,190 all the same size, four bolts hold it to the frame and other stuff has to be taken off but it's all the same
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Posted: 05 Mar 2017 at 2:11pm |
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Thanks DrAllis, I thought that would be the case. So are you saying a 180 narrow front would also work?
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Posted: 05 Mar 2017 at 12:53pm |
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The whole cast iron front support under the radiator gets swapped when going to a NF.
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Posted: 05 Mar 2017 at 12:51pm |
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I don't know what all is involved withe swap, if anyone has a narrow front i would like to have some up close pictures please.
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Posted: 05 Mar 2017 at 12:45pm |
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180-190-190XT. Lines will differ on 180.
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Posted: 05 Mar 2017 at 8:53am |
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Definitely a long shot. Good luck with that. Early 180s apparently had an internal steering cylinder in the front casting for this purpose. Don't know if it would fit an XT though.
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Posted: 05 Mar 2017 at 8:40am |
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I know this is a long shot but does anyone have a narrow front end for sale for a 190XT? I would like to convert mine to a narrow front. Are there any other series that used the same front end that may also work?
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