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CrestonM ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8455 |
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I've thought about this often, but why do farmers who seem to quit farming just let their equipment sit idle for years and rot?? There's an old farm about a mile from me with a 8630 JD sitting out in the yard, as well as a 4440 with a front end loader. There is also a huge barn a few hundred yards away and most of the barn has fallen down, revealing a JD 6600 sitting inside. There's also other implements around the pasture. Everything is all grown up in weeds. All this equipment came from the same era and I can only think about what that farmer thought when he bought these pieces new. (If he did). They were some top-of-the-line things back then and probably cost a fortune!! (If you ask a JD guy) Imagine going and buying a farm yard full of new equipment such as a Case IH Quad Track, Gleaner S97, etc., using it a few years, and then letting it sit.
I see this kind of thing a lot, and I can't help but always wonder why...Why do they just "abandon" the farm and leave all the good equipment there rust away?? I know someone, somewhere would like to have it. Even if they are JD, I hate to see them all sit like that.
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Dan73 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Jun 2015 Location: United States Points: 6054 |
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People tend to think it is worth the price they paid for it new alot of times and they think anyone who makes a reasonable offer is low balling them. I have heard old timers tell me before that for that for price it can just sit there.
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CrestonM ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8455 |
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Especially with JD! LOL
They say it never depreciates!
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Hubnut ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jul 2014 Location: Gainesville, FL Points: 1817 |
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Can't tell you how many times I've heard the exact same thing! |
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1940 B "Lucy"
1941 B w/ Woods L59 "Flavia" 1942 B w/ finish mower "Dick" 1941 C w/ 3-point "Maggie" 1947 C SFW w/ L306 "Trixie" 1972 314H |
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jaybmiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 24682 |
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The other line is that it's 'sentimental'.....been in the family for years( decades)..
gee whiz, if it's that's precious WHY is it rotting away in the back forty ? I have found that IF you're very nice, not pushy, say 'it'd go to a good home, be used properly' you can get the odd piece... Jay |
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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
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Steve in NJ ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11994 |
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There could be many, many reason's why that equipment could be laying there. One of the many reasons is health. As farmers age, they can't do the work anymore period. Maybe some passed away unexpectedly, and the wife is left with the farm. Depending how old she is, may not be able to handle such a task. So she lives there on the farm and doesn't bother with anything but keeping herself healthy. (depending on how old she is) Son's or Daughters or other family members don't want anything to do with the farm or any of that equipment, so it sits and rots. That's just a few. I'm sure like I said , there are many scenario's and circumstances involved.... JMHO
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HudCo ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Jan 2013 Location: Plymouth Utah Points: 3912 |
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i allways wondered why things got parked where they got parked like if a combine dyed out in the field it would just get farmed around or just unhooked where they got done with it never to go back to the yard. when i grew up every thing was parked in a straight row in the yard even if it had to be hauled back in pieces never to move again
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thendrix ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Feb 2013 Location: Fairmount GA Points: 5092 |
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Pawpaw has a case 1835 skid steer sitting here with the arms raised where he was working on it when he got sick and couldn't do it anymore. It sat that way for a few years and somebody stopped and offered to buy it. They asked and he said $3500. The guy told him he was way to high and asked if he actually thought he'd get that for it. He said "I've fought with the damn thing long enough til I'll get that or watch it rot. If you want it the price is $3600!" The man quickly left without another word and pawpaw told me "when I'm gone y'all can do what you want to with it. But for now the SOB is going to sit where it is!" He's been gone a little over a year and it's still sitting.
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"Farming is a business that makes a Las Vegas craps table look like a regular paycheck" Ronald Reagan
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JC-WI ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: wisconsin Points: 34326 |
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And then some of those old farmewrs got attachment to their equipment and figure when they are gone, the heirs can take care of them then...
and another thing them old guys say is, 'they can sit there, they don't owe me anything'
an one old guy says he figures since he is in retirement now, they can be too.
Many don't want to sell them just for them to end up in china either.
So theres many reasons... just a guess, I would say the biggest probably would be the memories ... and the old guys won't be buying anything big like that after they retire either.
Well, I do know of one 78 year old that bought a used 7720 and went back to custom combining. Maybe some of those that retired think they will go back to farming someday? LOL
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eighty nine ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 13 Nov 2013 Location: ILLINOIS Points: 96 |
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We had a neighbor that done sort of the same other than left it in the shed. He said he owed nothing on it, didn't need the money & had no expenses to offset the income tax if he sold it . So rather than give it to Uncle Sam it set there. Probably a similar situation at your neighbors Creston.
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Pat the Plumber CIL ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Springfield,Il Points: 4941 |
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My elderly neighbor Rosella has dimensia SPL ? and is living in a home with others in same predicament . Her kids cannot get along and the oldest son cannot make any important decisions without running it by his sisters lawyer and getting before a judge because his sister and him don't talk . Basically nothing happens , 2 houses are sitting vacant ( Rosella's House and her rental house next door ) . They have not been lived in for a couple years . Heat and power are still on at Rosella's , the rental has no water , heat or electric , needs a lot of work done , but siblings cant make a decision together so they fight and nothing happens . If animals get inside it wont be long before they are worthless. Rosella has 3 cars , a truck , Wd45 , camper and they are all rotting in the ground . I mow and take care of the yard , I send a bill once a year and it takes a month to get paid . People stop me while I am mowing and ask if anything is for sale . I have to tell them to wait for the auction that will eventually come .I am sure by then everything will be worthless .Maybe it is best as I will be in the market to buy this property . I tried to get them to have a clean up day .Rosella and her husband never threw anything away . Lots of wood , rocks , concrete pieces , at least 2 roll back dumpters full of junk in the yard , farmstead . You should have heard the sister howl about throwing away all her parents valuable stuff . They don't get it and never will . Just one situation that explains why stuff sits
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You only need to know 3 things to be a plumber;Crap rolls down hill,Hot is on the left and Don't bite your fingernails
1964 D-17 SIV 3 Pt.WF,1964 D-15 Ser II 3pt.WF ,1960 D-17 SI NF,1956 WD 45 WF. |
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CrestonM ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8455 |
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That sounds like something I'd do!!! Except I'd have a Gleaner!
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Play Farmer ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Jan 2016 Location: NNY Points: 732 |
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I also wonder if in some cases the bank still has something to say about it.
Locally we've had some good luck getting some of the old equipment, and putting it back to work. A buddy & I do food plots and have a ball doing it. We've been reclaiming scrub land, cleaning up old farm dumps, doing proper soil nutrition and putting the land back to good productive working land again. The equipment we're buying is what no one else wants. The stuff is too small for the bigger farmers and too big for the typical food plot guy with a 30 HP Kubota. A few years ago we put out the word we were looking for a cultipacker. We were contacted by an older farmer who liked what we were doing and made us a **very** reasonable deal. But we sure have seen a fair amount of stuff go to rot as well... Edited by Play Farmer - 03 Feb 2016 at 7:33pm |
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Gerald J. ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636 |
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The neighbor that farmed the place I rented a house on for 40 years when he retired he did sell equipment but spread the sales over several years. All had been fully depreciated in his income tax returns and if I he sold it all the same year the tax on the recovered income from the depreciated items would have been severe. I'm sure he didn't own anything on any piece either, he was the kind that only bought when he had cash in the bank, otherwise he ran stuff a long time.
Things like utility or loader tractors get kept for snow moving and rough mowing, though most of the year the neighbors hardly ever see them being used. Then I've kept my equipment as a reminder to my farm tenant that I could still farm it if we don't get along and I got really ambitious. I'll be 74 soon and I seem to be lazier each month so that's unlikely. Gerald J. |
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BPM75 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jun 2011 Location: Greenup IL Points: 1050 |
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I think Gerald has a good point, I was thinking the same thing. I know of guys who have held on to equipment for years just so they don't have to pay taxes on the sale of the equipment. They would rather sit in a barn or outside and rot than let the government have any of their money, Lol.
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59 D17 gas nf, 66 XT 190, 69 220.
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torque tube ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Dec 2013 Location: Okla. Points: 190 |
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In this situation there was a young fella that ignored his mothers wishes and ignored all women , never married or had kids . This young fella loved old tractors and equipment especially combines and during his younger years he accumulates several old tractors and a few combines and other pieces of equipment . Tragically this fella was killed in the prime of life. His parents have passed on and his sister wants nothing to do with the stuff . He has no will . Weeds grow up in the stuff then it begins to rot . After several years the county steps it and the stuff is auctioned of and goes to the local scrapper to pay back taxes . Just one of many situations that could cause this to happen
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victoryallis ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2010 Location: Ludington mi Points: 2878 |
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Ambition may enter into this as well. In his later years my grandfather cut all his poorer pieces of equipment into prepared steel size chunks and we hauled it off for scrap. It was his way of cleaning up things. My wife was firmly told if I die who the auctioneer will be to liquidate the iron.
The guy the wife and bought our farm from had his equipment sold as his health failed. In this last 8-9 months of his life he sold us the house and last few acres. We arranged a life lease on the house for him. When he passed all that remained was the contents of his house and his car. Between his death and his funeral the family took what they wanted from the house. Three hours after the funeral luncheon we had keys to the house. He controlled who had the farm, but lived in his house up until the last 2 weeks, and the son that was executor of the estate had an easier time settling things up. All were content when it ended. |
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8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760
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KY poorboy ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Aug 2015 Location: West KY Points: 933 |
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I have stopped at many places over the years to see if tractors or equipment would happen to be for sale. And as said above, many times the owners won't sell due to uncle Sam getting the money. I used to do custom hay work for a guy that was about 3 miles from me. He cropped several acres and had several cows. He had a 1655, 1755 and 1855 oliver that he bought new. In 1992, he rented everything to a local BTO. I had tried for 32 years to buy those 3 tractors, but he always said no, cause he would just have to give the money to the govt. They sat in an enclosed shop, jacked up on blocks. He went in a nursing home 3 years ago. His wife called me then and asked if I was still interested. Long story short, we couldn't come to an agreement. She had everything he had hauled to an auction, and I FINA got the 1755 and 1855 bought Dec of 14. Folks that knew I had been trying for so long really thought it was funny. Everyone said they thought I paid too much, but I didnt, and there was another guy 100 bucks behind me too.
Another thing that I often heard while trying to buy something that had been sitting for years was "I have that mortgaged for a whole lot more than it is worth. It's worth more to me to let it sit if they are crazy enough to loan me that amount against it." You just never know a person's real reason for some of the things they do. |
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GaryL ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 18 Jan 2015 Location: Oklahoma Points: 704 |
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It's just as irritating in the car world. You get these geezers (who you know the Grim Reaper is hanging around, just waiting for the moment) who refuse to part with a car or truck because "Some day, I'm gonna restore it!" My dad was a member of an antique car club sometime in the early 60s and said they were after a car some old bird had in his yard, but the old guy wanted too much money. Time went by, and the car eventually disintegrated.
I subscribe to a periodical called Auto Restorer that had a great article, a few months ago, from a retired gentleman who wrote that he realized, one day, that it made absolutely no sense for him to hang on to all of his cars until he passed. It would be better if he gave them to his sons and grandchildren (boys and girls) so he could see them enjoy the vehicles; PLUS, he would get the chance to make a great impression on the grandchildren by being able to wrench on the vehicles with them. He concluded his article saying it was the best decision he ever made and it made a big impact on the lives of everyone. Edited by GaryL - 03 Feb 2016 at 9:32pm |
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CrestonM ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8455 |
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My granddad did a similar thing with a 193? Chevy car with a straight 8 and suicide doors. Gave it to my cousins husband and he is currently restoring it.
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jiminnd ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Rutland ND Points: 2297 |
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Not exactly the same but have a neighbor who buys tractor, combines, and other stuff, soon as he has trouble he just parks it and buys another, has 7040,7030,a couple 190xts, 3 New Holland combines, a JD and an L, all broke down and you can't buy anything from him to try to fix, think he has ten acres of decent machinery that could all be repaired except some has stood for too many years now.
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1945 C, 1949 WF and WD, 1981 185, 1982 8030, unknown D14(nonrunner)
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AllisChalmers8070 ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 04 Jan 2016 Location: Knox County IN Points: 124 |
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Jim I can't stand it when people do that! They won't fix it but they won't sell it. We have a neighbor that does this. His whole place is filled with junk! I lot of could have been saved but what are you going to do I guess... On the bright side there is no AC out there.
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SHAMELESS ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: EAST NE Points: 29486 |
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Jiminnd...I guess you could say I do the same...one machine breaks, i'll by another if it's cheaper than what the repairs will cost me. then I have parts for the one I just bought! has worked very well for me thru-out my lifetime! when I decide to quit what i'm doing, ya'll will see ads on this forum first, and if no takers, it'll go to auction...1 piece ata time! a friend had his farm sale a few years ago, retiring....had a BIG sale, and after taxes and paying auctioneers, he had enough money to buy a new pickup...and that was all! and as ya'll know when you have an auction, a lot of stuff gets picked thru and a lot left for you to clean up, then you have people that walk thru your buildings and even try to walk thru your house! you may have some stuff you want to keep and put it in a certain place to hold onto. have seen people acctually break locks to get into a building to see whats in there! then you have the thieves working around the farm before, during, and after the sale! haul items off to another location, or use an on-line auction and the buyers have to take it, if not it goes on the next sale at the buyers expense!
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SHAMELESS ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: EAST NE Points: 29486 |
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also...if it wasn't for a lot of folks hanging onto their "junk", where would a lot of ya'll get your project tractors and equipment to restore? most dealers anymore don't want the old stuff on their lots, they wanna sell new stuff! and if an old piece will do the job cheaper, they can't sell a new piece! that's why AGCO don't want to sell much ALLIS parts and stuff! they want that ALLIS to fail so they can sell AGCO!
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AllisChalmers8070 ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 04 Jan 2016 Location: Knox County IN Points: 124 |
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Shameless don't you mean Massey Ferguson
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Larry(OH) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Shreve Ohio Points: 1580 |
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Thats why the CL ads say "ran when parked"
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jaybmiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 24682 |
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Yeesh, guess I'm in the boat with the others 'buying another tractor', sigh. Troy( #1 needed some parts, so I bought parts PARIS(#2) but... after changing 1-2-3-4 to 1-2-4-3 I didn't have the heart to steal parts off a good working tractor so....bought parts 'Rockton' which 'ran when parked' but has a loader and no brakes. Oops...redid the wiring and it runs fine...(still need parts for Troy though). Last year 'Milton' came here. Has 'real' loader and 11 gallons of oil in the rockshaft. Drained that,did some wiring and it's in shed #4. Hmm,still need parts for Troy though.... Along the way I bought the Gleaner A as the tires fit Troy,Paris,Rockton and Milton.Wife was not impressed and tires are still on it as it's 100% operational and in fine shape(better than me).Now the Cockshutt was supposed to be an 'engine donor' but it has a loader,factory rear weights,runs fine....and 7 squirts of ether does start the Buda dieselled A-C forklift..
so... I can see how and why some farmers have a lot of equipment laying around !! However I WILL sell if the stack of green is tall enough. Jay |
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SHAMELESS ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: EAST NE Points: 29486 |
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yeah...8070, which ever brand, I used AGCO as an example, was better than saying jd!
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Dan73 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Jun 2015 Location: United States Points: 6054 |
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Yup Shameless there isn't alot of money in it for agco when I can farm this land with a d17 probably better then I could with modern equipment. I have often wonder it that didn't have alot to do with farms getting bigger and bigger and the smaller "difficult" fields just being deemed unfarmable. Around here the fields are just small between the rivers and mountains but if you have the older small equipment they produce well. Sad as I struggle to try and get the farm going again and it feels like you can't make money on a farm this size.
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HD6GTOM ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Nov 2009 Location: MADISON CO IA Points: 6627 |
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Dad sold his tractors and left everything else sit in the late 1970's, most of it was 2 or 4 row stuff he bought in the 1950's or early 1960's. This was before all this food plot stuff came into being. Wasn't worth having a sale back then. I bought the big baler, chisel plow, and hay conditioner, sold a snap coupler 5 bottom plow. Dad passed away, about a year later someone brought loaders in and stole everything on the farm. There is still a reward out for the thieves.
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