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    Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 5:37am
Ok, I'm kinda bored and started to wunder.....
Say a tractor is rated to pull 3000#, could you pull more using a 4 wheel 'wagon' instead of a 2 wheeled 'trailer' ? To me a 'trailer' (1 or 2 axle) puts some of the weight on the tongue ,so backend of the tractor .. but a 'wagon' doesn't have any 'tongue' weight .
I've seen pics of tractors pulling 2-3 wagons of big bales,got be curious about load capacity of trailer vs wagon....

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Any time you put downward force on the drawbar you are boosting the traction.
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Pulling something like a wagon, yeah, you'll lose traction before you run out of power most likely.  Depends on so many things.  How fast are you going to pull it, what surface are you on, any slope, how much does your pulling vehicle weigh, and how quickly do you want to get it moving (acceleration) . Force = mass * acceleration.  I've pulled 120 square bales on a wagon with a 335cc  quad.  Don't make a habit of it, but I did it.  Get something with tongue weight, a lot of it, and you can draw  your tractor right down to stall without spinning.  

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just make sure you got the BRAKES for the load !
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The big issue with applying too much tongue weight would be draw bar rating. We have sheared a draw bar before with a fertilizer cart (guessing it was shock loaded). I would just guess that ~1200#’s would be around max weight for a 180-200 draw bar, then the 3 pt would handle up to 4000-5000#’s for optimum traction, heavier would need to be distributed over multiple wheels like a wagon.
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If you should need to back up, a trailer is a lot easier.

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Sounds like an interesting math problem expressed with some differential equations including variables of mass, friction, traction, gravity, slope, beers consumed, etc.

My gut reaction is 4 wheel wagon for fairly flat and dry ground, trailer for conditions where traction is an issue.  And if you are pulling your hay wagon through the mud, traction may be the least of your worries! LOL
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Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

just make sure you got the BRAKES for the load !

I agree with Steve, its more for Braking safety (IMO)


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Most trailers have brakes, most wagons don't.  Also, most wagons are not rated for higher speeds.
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Im thinking pulling a 10,000 pound wagon down a hill with a 4000 pound tractor... TRACTOR better have brakes.
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