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    Posted: 19 Dec 2018 at 8:47pm
Greetings Allis family,
Was backing up the F2 the other day at a neighbors farm (up a small hill) and the rear end picked up off the ground.   I had the corn header low to the ground, so I didn't do a faceplant. 
I am curious if anyone has built a weight rack for the rear axle of their Gleaner, and if so, how did you build it, and how much counter weight would I need to keep my rear on the ground? 
I have wheel weights on the front of my 6080 to keep the front on the ground when I use some heavy 3PT equipment, and those wheel weights do not fit the steering wheels of the gleaner. 

Thank you for your thoughts. 

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The sidehill MH's came from the dealer with the rear tires filled. I think the backs are 12x24 a little bigger than put on flatlanders so a good load in them. But they would still get off the ground.

After braking all kinds of rear axle parts we left them dry when the tires were replaced. Made a heck of a lot of down hill turns on lots of real nasty places, just keep the header down almost touching the ground.


But I did do a face plant when I was a green kid,I never forgot to put the header down again. I really thought I was going end over end. By the time I got out of the window it was still going backward up the hill.


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Dad bought a new Gleaner "F" in 1975.  Combined wheat and beans with it, then put on the 4 row "wide" corn head and headed down into the creek bottom with the corn head fully raised.    The combine pitched forward and landed with the corn head jammed into the ground.  The combine was at a pretty steep angle.  That was some pretty strong windshield glass because I stayed in the cab.  I ran the quarter mile plus back to the house.  Mom and Dad said I was white and out of breath.  Dad and I took a tractor and chain and pulled the combine onto 4 wheels and back to the top of the hill.  The combine wouldn't start and Dad said we'd already had enough for the day.  The next day 2 mechanics came and welded weight brackets on both sides of the rear axle and hung suitcase weights.  I think we had 2 weights on each side of the axle.  Our later M2 came with donut weights on both rear wheels.  Corn heads didn't raise as high on the newer combines and the M2 was OK with the rear weights and no fluid in the rear tires  Heavy wheel weights, though.  Had to remove one in the field to take off the tire and wheel and get a flat fixed.  
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Uncles 76 F had slab weights on angle braces to rear axle.Pretty sure it came that way. My F2 has fluid in rears. Not too tippy with 4-30 black head.
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We had the slab weights on our F and used donut weights on the rear of the F3. Both had 4 row heads. Doesn’t take a lot of weight but our ground is pretty flat here.
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Weld a piece of RR track onto the back axle that ought help hold it down and make the axle stronger too.
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When I bought my C2 the previous owner had used a 6 row corn head and had it weighted down. I used only a grain head and like Ray54 I broke the rear axle into and broke spindles. The combine would not go well in muddy conditions so I put it on a diet. Had XT slab weights stacked on the rear frame and rear tires were loaded. A lot of people don’t realize how heavy those corn heads are
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We use to have a 76' F and dad put I think IH cub weights in the rear wheels for the 4 row corn head that we had. If I remember right, we put them on the F2 that we had also. I think I still have those sitting in the shed. Haven't found another use for them yet

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F-2/F-3's had a kit where you added 75 lb suitcase weights from a 185 or 200 tractor just ahead of the rear axle. If you have an Owners manual, they are pictured in the back of the book where the accessories are.
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Consider adding a second fuel tank (can be bought from salvage)mounted behind the original tank. Plumb together both tanks to share a constant fuel level.
Though it's higher center of gravity may not be idea for steeper hill settings?
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have f2 for parts and has rear wheel weights on it thanks Steve 507 766 0551
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donut weights on wheels won't put stress on spindles / axles like other proposed ideas! look in salvage yards for donut wts.
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Will the cast iron wheels/rims from a 'G' Gleaner fit on an F?  
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I had an F years ago that had the cast wheels, but I don’t know if they interchange.
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Thank you all,
I will look  into the manual to see what the original accessories were for weights.  I think if I had to, I would look for donut weights for the rear wheels.  There are a few tractor salvage yards in PA that might have them.

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Originally posted by only AC orange only AC orange wrote:

donut weights on wheels won't put stress on spindles / axles like other proposed ideas! look in salvage yards for donut wts.
 
Why not?? Weight is weight, right??
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Weight is NOT weight! It matters where it's applied as to what it loads. Would you rather have 50# wts around your ankles or on your shoulders for a hike?

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Are the wheels not attatched to the spindles or axles?? They are on our F2. The weight has to get transferred somewhere??

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Originally posted by FREEDGUY FREEDGUY wrote:

Are the wheels not attatched to the spindles or axles?? They are on our F2. The weight has to get transferred somewhere??
I don't know what to say....


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Fluid in the tires pretty much puts the weight onto the bottom and sides of the tire only and not on the spindles or axles. That's the way I see it anyhow. Cast iron wheels weights, in my mind, would be similar but the weight would be on the wheel also but still not on the axle itself???? I think

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Fluid in the rear tires, or added donut weights to the rear rims or the "fat back" solid cast iron rear wheels all do the same thing:  put weight on the tire without any added stress to the frame/chassis. The frame isn't carrying the extra weight. The tire is.
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Like the Dr. says.....If the weight is hanging on the back axel, the axel carries it, applies weight and leverage to the spindles, and the whole thing supported by the tires.  If you put in on the wheel/in the tire, only the tire is supporting it.
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Don't know where in Pa. you're located but Bryant Combine Salvage in Bryant, In. would be a good place to look for donut wts. or the cast iron wheels! Opportunity for a road trip.
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I believe the donut weights in the rear of my F are what you are referring too.
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Dad's old F3 came with factory weights on the back axle if you look closely at the picture below.  When the combine was sold we kept the weights and put them on the 6080.

If you are wondering about the sign, it is at Summerix in Lachine MI.

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Those are "fat back" wheels on that combine. They also had donut weights that bolted right to the original/standard equip steel wheel, but they weren't near as heavy as fat back wheels.
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I used a heavy pipe stuck in opening on center of axle and put weights from tractor rear wheels on pipe. worked for me  
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O okay. Thanks as always for your knowledge Dr. Allis. I wasn't sure what the correct term was for them.
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The fat backs are the kind that if you have a flat tire, you call the tire man to come to the field.  Those tractor weights on that F-3 are interesting.  I've never seen it done like that and am curious if it was homemade?? by the selling dealership ??
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Originally posted by Tbone95 Tbone95 wrote:

Like the Dr. says.....If the weight is hanging on the back axel, the axel carries it, applies weight and leverage to the spindles, and the whole thing supported by the tires.  If you put in on the wheel/in the tire, only the tire is supporting it.
 
But the"weight" is STILL putting "forces" on the spindles/axles?? Otherwise, what's the point of weights on the rear?? Perhaps I don't understand, but if a guy put's weights on the ass end to hold her down backing up a hill, where does the added weight get transferred to on the level land?? On the steering spindles/ axles, yes or no ?
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