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    Posted: 27 Apr 2017 at 8:43am
First, I am an old farmer that doesn't like much on tv. So, my evening entertainment is reading all the new questions and answers on this forum. Thank you all for the enjoyment I get from this!!!
Second my question....I am replacing tires on my late Dad's WD45. I have always bought a cheap tub of margarine for bead /rim lube. Anybody have better suggestion??? Also what do you all recommend as best bead breaker?? Thanks again    ....Dan..
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Atleast on implement tires it hard to beat Murphy's oil soap. Go to the Gemplers website see what they offer.
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Murphy's is good for lube. If the bead comes off fairly easy I have gotten them loose with just a pry bar or couple whacks from a big hammer by the bead (BE CAREFUL doing this so you don't hit and bend the rim or bounce the hammer back into yourself). If it is stuck really good the best bead breaker is a front end loader if you have one, if not a good board or preferably a steel ramp and lay the tire down with the valve stem out and dive up the ramp with another tractor or truck. Takes some creativity sometimes with those old rusty beads.
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Thanks for quick replies... I have bought tire lube in past from Gemplers, but found margarine cheaper and easier to get. I replace tires with rim mounted on tractor, so front loader won't work. I use hydraulic bottle jack horizontal between drawback and tire. Just looking for better ideas...
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Have the tire supplier mount the tires and buy a cup of coffee and watch!
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I have watched and paid for three rear tractor tires to be replaced. Well worth the cost to watch a youngster with more muscle and more tools do the work without causing me any ripped skin or cracked bones. Old tires can be really tough and stiff and rusted fast. The tire shop's field truck with air over hydraulic bead breaker makes getting the old tire loose look a lot easier.

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Stan #2 here with my suggestion........pay them whatever it takes so you don't have to do it.
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Originally posted by Stan R Stan R wrote:

Have the tire supplier mount the tires and buy a cup of coffee and watch!
X2. That is the best way to do it.
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The shop that I helped change a couple of my tires had a big long bead breaker slide hammer. Put the tip on the bead slam the slide hammer down over and over.

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We replaced the rear tires on our 6080, while they were still on the tractor.  In the end, we used a drop hitch mounted sideways in our receiver.  We then backed the truck up until the hitch was right at the bead/rim.  Then we drove the truck backward.  We had to turn the wheel a few times, but pretty soon it started to budge, and then break.  To get the inside bead off we placed pieces of 2x4 at the bead/rim, then wrapped chain around the tire, and hooked to a clevis in the truck.  Had to re-adjust a few times, but eventually the truck just pulled it off. 

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I first started hitting this tire wedge 50 years ago....
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Yeah, I would agree with the above is how I do it now. I gave my .02 on how to do it when I did it myself but ultimately shop around. I have a local tire place that I just unbolt the rims and take the new tires and tubes and wheels with the old tires on my utility trailer to them and they swap the tire for $30 each. Much easier in my opinion to unbolt the rim and toss the assembly on the trailer than change an old tire myself. 
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Dan, Go to your local NAPA store and buy a gallon of their rubber lube, but not as slick as some I used over the years. Much better than any dish soap. I used 2-30 inch bars, 2-12 inch bars and a duckbilled tire hammer, left the rims bolted to the tractor. as far as a bead breaker, I wore out 3 of the ratchet operated ones, like gempler sells-in the first year I was in the farm tire business. They would probably work for you, but probably cheaper to drive or haul the tractor to your local farm tire dealer and have them change them. Leave them on the tractor. Every farm tire man I ever knew hates to change them laying on the ground. so much more work that way.   
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I buy my tires and tubes at the local Ag Tire store. Bring them the old tires  they change them no charge. takes them about 20 minutes to do both tires. One set had fluid so they pumped out and disposed of the fluid for me. I didnt want it back in. When they pinched a tube they they demounted and put another new one in. If I buy my tires some where else they charge based on tire size 190 rears were $100 each.
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Thanks guys, I appreciate all feedback. (Plus I really enjoy reading forum). As far as tire dealer doing it, last year I ruptured a tire on other WD45 and new tire was 340 bucks, plus 350 bucks for labor (3 1/2 hours at 100 bucks per hour. I never saw a person move as slow as the kid (probably paid hourly) that did labor. Plus the tube came to nearly 800 bucks. These prices are too steep for this oldtimer. So...I went back to doing my own..Dan
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Methinks you over paid. Call around, get a fixed price.
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Originally posted by Stan R Stan R wrote:

Methinks you over paid. Call around, get a fixed price.


I had my local shop come out to the farm for a service call a month ago - they charge a flat rate, so I got them to mount 4 new tires at one time.  The cost of the tires was the most on the bill.  Two 18.4 x 34 Galaxy tires for the 190XT, 14.9 x 26 BKTs for the D15 diesel, and 14.9 x 28 Galaxy tires (not mounted) to go on the 54 WD45 in the future.

Definitely a job for younger people.  For the price you pay, it saves you a lot of pain and agony!



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I just (last week) had a 16.9 x 28 remounted on the rim (that I had repaired). They used a specialty green tire grease that was very slippery.

He charged me $38 (including tax) for patching the tube and mounting the tire. I gave the two guys each a $5 "tip" (which I do every time I go there).

...and I left with no aches or pains from fighting with the tire myself!!!
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Don't put yourself through the Missouri, the best money I ever spent on all my repairs was having the tire shop change my tires, for what they charge it is not worth the cussing and swearing.
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my old man uses a splitting maul, he ground the end down so it wasn't sharp. 

I used to use an old plow jeep, bottle jack and a tree.  put the tire against the plow jeep to hold it up.  turn a hydraulic bottle jack sideways against the tree and a board on the tire were the jack hits (keeps from puncturing a tire) then just pump the jack up.  I have a 20 ton bottle jack, don't know if ya need one that big or not.  first time I did it I damn near crapped my pants when the tire blew off the bead!!!Smile

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So, my 70 year old friend (know each other for 70 years) and I decided that before we died we needed to change a tractor tire.  I had a 16.9x28 that needed changing.  He had a old brass washing machine pump for the calcium and I had a barn we could work in.  Pumped the calcium out into a plastic barrel, everything is good so far. Break the bead with a railroad jack, inside was almost easy. OUTSIDE was a different story, all we did was push the tractor around, finally chained the thing to a post with 20 foot of log chain.  Forgot to tell you about the chairs, we are old so we needed to sit ....a lot.  We got the tire broke down but our old arthritic hands couldn't get the tube with the remaining 4-5 gallons of calcium out of the tire.  Had to wait for my son to get home from a paying job to help us, correction.....do it.  Put the new tube in, learned new words, pinched fingers, learned more new words.  Sat in chairs.... a lot.   Finally were in a position to pump calcium back into tire, that went pretty well.... we had a machine to do it!  Unchained the tractor and put all the jacks, hammers, tire irons, pinch bars, mauls and crow bars away.  Tire/tube did not leak, we didn't put it on backwards, actually drove the tractor out of the barn.  
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I would never go back to that tire shop again. Yikes!! Last flat I had on the one-seventy they changed the tube and it was $100 and that included the tube. Might be a tad bit more for pulling the whole tire and then remounting a new tire but that's just insane.
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$79 flat rate for service charge to farm here.
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I envy you guys that have reasonable tire shops in your area!!!! Changing tractor tires isn't as easy for me as it was 50 years ago, but we only have one tire shop in this area that will service farm tires. And he is NOT cheap. 100 bucks an hour, and you pay from service truck leaving shop til returned to shop. (And a buck fifty a mile from shop to farm). Thanks for all hints, thoughts, and ideas. I appreciate it... Dan
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a friends father in law bought rear tires, tubes for his case 930 and had them filled with calcium.  decided he would use his Prentiss loader on his log truck to mount them.  first tire went as planned, second one started to slip off so he grabbed the handle and squeezed the grapple right through both side walls!!!  ya could probly hear him swearing from 3 states away!!!
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Several we did the "Bridge Crossing", after the crossing I parked next to a Ford that had new imported rear tires on it. One of my rear tires was a Firestone Field and Road, not new put had very good tread. I got to looking and my not new tire had deeper tread than the Ford imported new ones.

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found this way on you tube and tried it this morning, worked great!!!  tire was deflated,  put 4x4 on each end of the tire close to the rim.  I used a chunk of steal I had to put over the 4x4's, but a 4x4 or bigger would probly work.  then rap a chain through the rim and over the jack.  pump up the jack and it pushes the tire down off the bead.  I put some diesel fuel around the bead the night before, don't know if it helped or not, but it worked.  dt





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Breaking the bead is probably the easiest part of changing a tire. I have a sliding hammer and have never had a problem breaking the bead. (I'm not saying it isn't hard work!)

Getting the tire off and back on without damaging the tube is definitely the worst part of the job, especially if you are working alone. There is nothing worse than pinching a brand new tube and having to dismount the tire again and patch a very expensive tube.

Getting the tire to seat on the rim can be frustrating, too.
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I'm betting the diesel fuel helped with the removal of the old tire as rubber gets softened with diesel. Probably something you don't want to use on a new tire though.
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