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Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 5:55pm |
Welcome to hopefully helpful thread about my adventure with my 1939 RC. I found this tractor in West Salem, Ohio on craigslist. I bought it January 10, 2017 and brought her home to Adams Acres January 14th. I have always wanted an RC and I am happy to have added her to my family. I have been looking around and have not seen much documentation online. Hopefully this will help you and me on this adventure. Who knows what will happen, but here goes.
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Kevin
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Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 6:08pm |
The pictures that were on Craigslist...
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Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 6:59pm |
Looks nice! So an RC is a B engine in a WC. I WISH they would've put a WC engine in a B/C! I think they actually made a prototype. The WB.
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Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 8:11pm |
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Looks nice! So an RC is a B engine in a WC. I WISH they would've put a WC engine in a B/C! I think they actually made a prototype. The WB. |
How cool would a WB have been?? Kevin
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Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 8:15pm |
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So when I went to buy the tractor, I took some more pictures. Here is some more information on the old girl.
-1939
-Serial Number RC3001
-Under hood exhaust
-Starter
-Generator
-No lights or electrical box... ( I am investigating this )
-The guy who I bought it off of had used a 12 volt to start the tractor, and boy she started nice.
-Magneto (Need to look into what Mag it is.)
Here are the pictures I took that night. I wanted something to look at as I went an hour home.
Kevin
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Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 8:52pm |
Since I can not embed (If you know how to, please let me know.) I am going to put out a link. Let me know if this is ok by your guys. https://1drv.ms/f/s!Auo4c4_wWK4Mi6Z0dWvDwciyOHGMrwKevin
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Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 9:28pm |
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Ok, so my general rule of thumb is when I get a new machine, be it a lawn mower, truck, or tractor, the first thing I do is introduce her to the others and welcome her home. Then after that is to change all the fluids. When I was inspecting the RC I saw that the transmission had oil shaped like a sponge and not enough in the resevour. Check that, I made a mental note. Then I looked at the rear differential housing: It looked like it had been painted over many times over many years. 'I bet that the oil is real bad in there,' I said to myself. The crankcase oil looked a nice shade of amber when I looked the RC over the first time we met, but it was still slated to be changed. Along with those oils, I will change the coolant and final drive oils.
A question I have for those of you reading this is: Does the transmission and rear differential share oil?
I drained the "oil" in the transmission and rear differential tonight, January 16th. I will share that post soon. Tomorrow is my birthday and I do not know if I will have time to go out to the shop tomorrow.
Kevin
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Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 9:37pm |
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what else is for sale there? man that would be Eldons play pen, you see all them tires and wheels in the background! what was in the big shed since all the tractors seem to be sitting outside!
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Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 9:41pm |
shameless (ne) wrote:
what else is for sale there? man that would be Eldons play pen, you see all them tires and wheels in the background! what was in the big shed since all the tractors seem to be sitting outside!
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I am not sure what was in all of the sheds, but the guy I bought it off of sells a bunch of Allis Parts. He has a bunch of tractors around from little B's and CA's to large 4 digit tractors. One shed was full or what looked like harvested parts. If you are interested I can give you the name and number of the place.
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Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 10:06pm |
Looks like a nice one. To your question, yes they share gear oil since there is no seal between them, but you will need to fill and drain them separately. There are a whole bunch of differences between the RC and a WC so it is a bit of a stretch to call it a WC with a B motor, but that was the basic idea behind it. I took lots of pictures while going through mine, you can look at them here: http://www.allis01.com/fossto/39RC/ac-RC.html
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Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 10:28pm |
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Nice tractor and thanks for taking us along for the ride. Is that a 220 I see!?
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Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 11:00pm |
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Hard to tell from the angle of the picture, but the Mag looks like a "K" series Fairbanks/Morse. (K4B)
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Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 11:01pm |
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I always thought the RC would be a great tractor to take to shows . Fairly light and small , but still big enough to ride on a tractor drive . Odd and rare enough to make it special , but enough of them around where you can still find parts .Can't see why anyone would have bought one new , tobacco farmer ?,truck farmer ? Could not have been that much cheaper than a WC.
Nice tractor and thanks for posting pics
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Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 12:09am |
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My dad told of my grandfather bringing one home from the dealer behind one of the big Packards they used on the farm. They had two B's and wanted to upgrade for both field and belt work, took it back to the dealer two weeks later as they found it way underpowered and limped along until the new WC showed up.
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Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 4:53am |
TomMN wrote:
Looks like a nice one. To your question, yes they share gear oil since there is no seal between them, but you will need to fill and drain them separately. There are a whole bunch of differences between the RC and a WC so it is a bit of a stretch to call it a WC with a B motor, but that was the basic idea behind it. I took lots of pictures while going through mine, you can look at them here: http://www.allis01.com/fossto/39RC/ac-RC.html
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The trans and diff DO NOT share the same fluid!! The are not inter connected except with the differential/accessory drive.
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Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 6:21am |
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KD be sure to look at Toms picture link as he has some wonderfull shots of his RC. There has been much speculation as to why AC built them but the story I like is that they were an interim project till they got the C into production. The RC could compete with the Farmall F12 and JD B. I still have one but at one time I owned RC 8. As Tom said there are many parts on that tractor that are RC only parts one being the ring and pinion giving it a slower ground speed to give the 125 cu in engine a chance and as a result they are to slow for tractor rides on the highway.
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Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 8:39am |
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My comment that the transmission and rear end share fluid is qualified with "since there is no seal between them", gear oil is free to pass from whichever one has a higher level. As I said they need to be filled and drained separately. The manual calls for the same gear oil in both as well.
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Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 9:51am |
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I bought the tractor from Wellert's A.C. Parts 8922 Matty Road, West Salem, Ohio 44287 welac@sssnet.com 330-262-6991 Kim Wellert
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Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 11:03am |
I LIVE ABOUT 30 MINUTES FROM WELLERT'S, THERE GOOD GUYS TO WORK WITH.
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Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 11:12am |
TomMN wrote:
Looks like a nice one. To your question, yes they share gear oil since there is no seal between them, but you will need to fill and drain them separately. There are a whole bunch of differences between the RC and a WC so it is a bit of a stretch to call it a WC with a B motor, but that was the basic idea behind it. I took lots of pictures while going through mine, you can look at them here: http://www.allis01.com/fossto/39RC/ac-RC.html
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Tom, I went through your pictures and wow! That was a good build log. I hope to do the same here. I have never tore that deep into a tractor before. As I go through this endeavor can I shoot you questions? For example as I am draining the oil (hahaha) from the tranny and differential, is there any other points in which to drain? Should I crack open the middle plate and see if the oil came out of there? Thanks, Kevin
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Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 12:33pm |
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Yes, feel free to ask. I doubt I will know all the answers, the web page might make people think I know what I am doing but I am a hobbyist and this isn't my profession by any stretch of the imagination. I will share any information I can though. My email address is located at the bottom of the main web site http://allis01.com
Unless there is a very seriously leaking seal there shouldn't be any oil coming out from the clutch housing access panel. :-)
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Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 3:38pm |
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Kevin,
Looks to be a good tractor. Runs drives, has good rubber! Nice find. Have fun getting to know her. What are your plans beyond changing the fluids? ( That is usually my first project unless they look really good and full). Thanks for sharing the photos!
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Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 7:33pm |
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Hard to tell from the angle of the picture, but the Mag looks like a "K" series Fairbanks/Morse. (K4B)
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Survey is in and it is... American Bosch Corp MJH 4C302 I tried to embed the picture, no go. I tried to upload, too big. Ugh... I will figure this out yet! Thanks, Kevin
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Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 7:36pm |
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Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 7:41pm |
Gary in Texas wrote:
TomMN wrote:
Looks like a nice one. To your question, yes they share gear oil since there is no seal between them, but you will need to fill and drain them separately. There are a whole bunch of differences between the RC and a WC so it is a bit of a stretch to call it a WC with a B motor, but that was the basic idea behind it. I took lots of pictures while going through mine, you can look at them here: http://www.allis01.com/fossto/39RC/ac-RC.html
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The trans and diff DO NOT share the same fluid!!
The are not inter connected except with the differential/accessory drive. |
Is there a drain for differential/accessory drive? Or should I open it up and look? This part... 
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Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 7:50pm |
Sugarmaker wrote:
Kevin,
Looks to be a good tractor. Runs drives, has good rubber! Nice find. Have fun getting to know her. What are your plans beyond changing the fluids? ( That is usually my first project unless they look really good and full). Thanks for sharing the photos!
Regards,
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Chris, Thank you for the compliment! I am very happy with my new find. I am looking forward to very much! My plans are being thought through at the moment. I have never done a full top-down, inside to out restoration. For whatever reason this tractor seems to call out to me to restore her to the original state. I go back and forth because I know a restoration takes time (which I have a lot of), money (which I do not have a lot of), and resources (tools, machinists, etc.). I think I would have a lot of fun doing it but it is very uncharted territory for me. If I do not restore or if I do, I will plan on taking her to parades, shows, tractor drives (my therapy), and some light work around the homestead. I like to use my tractors and not let them sit, which here lately has been the case. I am open to any words of advice! Kevin
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