Dang, Dang, Dang,,,,

    DANMG,,,, I was helpin the next door neighbor's family clean up their yard as the Mother passed away from cancer and the D14 got a little hot on me while usein the backhoe to pick up and load some old fridges, water heaters and old stoves and I started smellin some antifreeze and checked the gauge and was showin 210°,,,! I shut it down and let it cool while I did something else. After it cooled, I noticed the level in radiator was low so I added at least a gallon and,,,,,,,,,I KNEW then there was trouble brewin,,,,
 Checked the oil dipstick and CHIT, CHIT,,there is water in the oil,,,!!!  DAMNG,,,engine is not missing so water did not get into any of cylinders ( fingers crossed sooooo hard )
  What are some KIND words from the group on where to start,,,,???
 Hopefully just head gasket,,,,,????

first guess is rotten freeze plugs in the head, under the rocker arm shaft.

This the fresh rebuilt one?

i'm not gonna poke ya on this one Joe....I feel a bit distressed about it! well...not until you post what the problem is....then i'll decide!

didja have the cyl liners replaced?  Might be a o-ring, at the bottom of the liner, that's leakin...

   Hey Leon,,did you mean OIL pressure,,,? If so,,yes, it carried 30# oil pressure at idle when hot and I was gonna use diesel for flushing just cause diesel is $2.30 / gallon vs the kerosene here is $6.00 / gallon,,,I'm cheap alla the time ,,,don'cha hear ole Shameless tellin ya'll all the time,,,???
 Hey Dave,,,no,,I did not "replace"  the liners, as they were within the specs for roundness T, M, and Btm. as well as piston to wall clearance. I did replace all the "O" rings on the liners tho.
 Worst case,I do have the original block that was in the tractor,,,but don't even want to think bout THAT right now,,,,so let's NOT talk bout thet just yet,,,,,

   Well,,Guys,,, I May have lucked out,,,, as ole Steve (ILL) suggested,,,the middle freeze plug had been pushed out and was layin on top of cylinder head,,,!!!  YEA, YEA,,!!!
  The btm of the freeze plug looked to have NO SIGN of corrosion. I trial fitted it in its hole and seems to be a tight fit. I do remember flushin out the block and the head during the overhaul and were both pretty clean,,,
   When all this was happening, I noticed a small leak around one of the bolts on the thermostat housing  and after removin the 4 bolts,,the dang housing was stuck to head so I tapped it to break it loose and,,,,and,,,you guessed it,,the friggin thing cracked into the housing at one of the bolt holes,,,!! Looks like that might be what started the whole chit-a-risky as it had been leakin a tiny bit all along and I just did not notice it till water level got low enough to let engine get hot .
  In lookin thru some catalogs,,I see where there are radiator caps with two different pressure ratings,,one for 4# and one for 15#, according to the engine SN of 149-15457, it sussposed to take a 4# cap and I know it has a 7# cap,,,,Is there a real need to go with the 4# cap??
   I;m gonna rig up a block off plate where the thermostat housing goes so I can go ahead and pressure test the whole system to make sure there ain't any more damage. At work,,we always used to test equipment at 1 1/2 times operating pressure is why I ask if this is a 4# system or the higher,,???
  Last,,,but not the least,,,has anybody got a used 4 bolt with the bypass thermostat housing  sittin on their shelf,,??? shoot me a PM,,,THANKS
 
        

      

Back in 87, I think was when the chesapeake froze over, the last time, I had gotten my great uncle's D-14 back from the dealer, who shall remain nameless.  It was late sept, and they hadn't put anything but water in it, and didn't tell me.  Went to start it in Dec, and it was froze solid, motor started, but the wp was froze, and the belt started burning!  Anyway, parked a perfection 500 kerosene wick heater under it, with the oil plug out, left it run overnight, thawed all the ice out'n it, and chased 4 barn cats off'n the top of it, all three head fp's had blew, and the pot-metal t-stat housing was in a million pieces.  Got all the new parts, bill was like $13.75...  

  Yeah,,Michael,,,i've still got all my 11 fingers crossed on it being just the freeze plugs,,,,I went to Oreliiy's to rent a radiator Pressure tester but the kit did not have the right length plug to fit the radiator,,,so I didn't get to pressure up the system. I went ahead and installed the 3 new freeze plugs tho,, I had to make a block off plate for the thermostat housing for testin,,so, I'm gonna go ahead and make me a new housing as nobody has one,,,,

   Well,,,I searched hi and low in this big old burg and never fount a radiator test kit that will work on the deep throat of the D14 radiator,,,,so guessin I;m gonna have to put a hold on this project  and get one from Ebay,,,but cheapest (Don't look,Shameless,,!) one I see is bout $50,,,and not sure it will have the deep plug I need,,,,chi-eeet,,,
 Lookin like I'm gonna have to get my engineerin mind to work and make my own,,,,HMmmm,,,there is a 1/4" plug on the side of the block and with a regulator and a 0-15#  pressure gauge,,,I could,,,,,,
What have all others used on here,,???

   Gosh,,,Shameless,,,I really like how you do everything in your power to help me all the time,,,,,,it,,,,it,,,,,it makes me speechless,,,,,,,

For less than that pressure test kit you could probably find a spare radiator cap with a higher pressure rating, then drill a hole in that new cap for plumbing fittings for a schrader valve and a pressure gauge and make your own test set with a gauge you already have or purchased from Surplus Center or epay cheaply. Cap, flange, nipple and pipe T.

Or you could just be patient and look for loss of coolant after you have fixed the freeze plugs. With one of then out you haven't been developing radiator pressure at all and have essentially a big hose for coolant from cooling system to oil pan until the coolant got down below the top of the head. Unless a sleeve oring is really messed up it isn't going to leak at the pressure of about 1 foot head, about 1/2 psi.

Gerald J.


Edited by Gerald J. - 13 Dec 2016 at 9:36am

    FIRST OF ALL,,,,,many, many thanks for all youse Guys takin time to offer some help,,,I am finally ALMOST back to not feeling so down like I was yesterday,,,damng,,that hurt Ya know,,,???
   Anyway,,I fashioned up a Shade Tree tester with a 1/2" pipe cross, 0-30 pressure gauge,  shrader valve, and a regulator. I removed the temp sender and set the pipe T in it's place. The radiator cap leaked a little but I kept 8# on the system for bout 30 mins,,,,and NO LEAKS coming out of the oil pan,,,SOoooo,,,I believe I am good to go,,,,
   Put a level of Diesel in oil  pan,,but I chickened out and will just get some cheap oil and run it and change out  till oil is clear comin out of oil pan. I DO NOT want to hurt that engine ,,,,
 Again,,,Many Thanks Guys,,,,,,
  OOPS,,forgot something,,,the thermostat housing has a 1/2" by pass from water pump to thermostat housing..... What is the affect if I just plug both sides if this hose,,?? Looks like the bypass does bypass the thermostat to some degree,,,,,???


Edited by desertjoe - 13 Dec 2016 at 7:59pm

     Yeah,,Dan,,I'm feelin much better these days,,,but since duty calls,,I been workin on gettin all my Christmas decorations done so the finish-up of the d14 has taken a back seat for a day or so,,,,
   There is one other thing,,,I had used a Napa 1101 oil filter but Napa does not carry that filter any more,,and they list a Fram C159 as a crossover,,but don't carry it either,,,WTH,,?? Napa told me a 7011 will "work" but when I asked him if it was the bypass style ,,,he just got a blank look to him,,,
   I would prefer a Fram but what filter are others using,,,???

desertjoe wrote:     FIRST OF ALL,,,,,many, many thanks for all youse Guys takin time to offer some help,,,I am finally ALMOST back to not feeling so down like I was yesterday,,,damng,,that hurt Ya know,,,???    Anyway,,I fashioned up a Shade Tree tester with a 1/2" pipe cross, 0-30 pressure gauge,  shrader valve, and a regulator. I removed the temp sender and set the pipe T in it's place. The radiator cap leaked a little but I kept 8# on the system for bout 30 mins,,,,and NO LEAKS coming out of the oil pan,,,SOoooo,,,I believe I am good to go,,,,    Put a level of Diesel in oil  pan,,but I chickened out and will just get some cheap oil and run it and change out  till oil is clear comin out of oil pan. I DO NOT want to hurt that engine ,,,,  Again,,,Many Thanks Guys,,,,,,   OOPS,,forgot something,,,the thermostat housing has a 1/2" by pass from water pump to thermostat housing..... What is the affect if I just plug both sides if this hose,,?? Looks like the bypass does bypass the thermostat to some degree,,,,,???