Dang, Dang, Dang,,,,
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Topic: Dang, Dang, Dang,,,,
Posted By: desertjoe
Subject: Dang, Dang, Dang,,,,
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2016 at 5:03pm
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DANMG,,,, I was helpin the next door neighbor's family clean up their yard as the Mother passed away from cancer and the D14 got a little hot on me while usein the backhoe to pick up and load some old fridges, water heaters and old stoves and I started smellin some antifreeze and checked the gauge and was showin 210°,,,! I shut it down and let it cool while I did something else. After it cooled, I noticed the level in radiator was low so I added at least a gallon and,,,,,,,,,I KNEW then there was trouble brewin,,,, Checked the oil dipstick and CHIT, CHIT,,there is water in the oil,,,!!! DAMNG,,,engine is not missing so water did not get into any of cylinders ( fingers crossed sooooo hard ) What are some KIND words from the group on where to start,,,,??? Hopefully just head gasket,,,,,???? |
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Posted By: Rick143
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2016 at 5:10pm
| I had that happen on my Massey Harris 44 was thinking it was a head gasket but it ended up being a cracked block between the cylinders. A little JB weld and some new orings and it was good to go. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2016 at 5:26pm
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first guess is rotten freeze plugs in the head, under the rocker arm shaft.
Second guess is o-rings around the liners... but if it leaked out in a couple hours, probably the freeze plugs ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2016 at 5:26pm
 ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2016 at 6:25pm
| This the fresh rebuilt one? |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2016 at 9:36pm
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Yep,,Dave,,,it is and that's what pains me so,,,,,, Gonna pull the valve cover in the morn,,,and got all my 11 fingers crossed includin all 8 of the Wife's ,,,shore did not think it got that hot but,,,,,?? |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2016 at 11:05pm
| i'm not gonna poke ya on this one Joe....I feel a bit distressed about it! well...not until you post what the problem is....then i'll decide! |
Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2016 at 2:13am
| Joe, I feel your distress man. Here's what I'd do. Drop the pan. Should anyway and see where the anti-freeze is coming from. From behind the liners, somewhere in the block, out of the oil return hole. You may have to add water to get the level up. If it's fixable without a tear down, flush the holy mackerel out of it with kerosene and go from there. For myself if it had good pressure I'd run it for a while and run a oil sample test just to satisfy my mind. Sure hope you caught it in time. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2016 at 5:03am
| didja have the cyl liners replaced? Might be a o-ring, at the bottom of the liner, that's leakin... |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2016 at 5:06am
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Well,,I'm sure hopin ole Steve(ILL) is the correct one,,,I DID not look at those freeze plugs when I worked on the engine,,,cause I did not know they were even there,,,,, SO,,I'm hopin my lack of knowledge is my savior this time,,,,  I started to run a compression yesterday to see if it might be head gasket leakin between cylinders,,but engine was runnin just as smooth as always,,,so maybe that is a good sign,,,,,, AND,,,,,and,,,,Shameless,,,,you're such a thoughtful person,,,ain't Ya,,,,,? cause my psych is hurtin some,,,,,,,,  Guess I'll go ahead and drain the chocolate out the oilpan and get some diesel to flush the engine,,,I'm thinkin more and more it must be one of them freeze plugs cause it did swallow 2 gallons of antifreeze real quick,,,,, |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2016 at 5:16am
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Hey Leon,,did you mean OIL pressure,,,? If so,,yes, it carried 30# oil pressure at idle when hot and I was gonna use diesel for flushing just cause diesel is $2.30 / gallon vs the kerosene here is $6.00 / gallon,,,I'm cheap alla the time ,,,don'cha hear ole Shameless tellin ya'll all the time,,,??? Hey Dave,,,no,,I did not "replace" the liners, as they were within the specs for roundness T, M, and Btm. as well as piston to wall clearance. I did replace all the "O" rings on the liners tho. Worst case,I do have the original block that was in the tractor,,,but don't even want to think bout THAT right now,,,,so let's NOT talk bout thet just yet,,,,, |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2016 at 8:09am
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You might remove the valve cover and drain and leave the oil plug out of the pan , refill with water then pressure test cooling sy up to 7 psi look at the core plugs first and watch the oil pan hole for water leaks if there's water coming out drain plug pull the pan re-pressurize with pan off look inside for the leaks before you pull head or liners. Good luck and I hope you find it's just the core plugs are bad.
------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2016 at 11:58am
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Well,,Guys,,, I May have lucked out,,,, as ole Steve (ILL) suggested,,,the middle freeze plug had been pushed out and was layin on top of cylinder head,,,!!! YEA, YEA,,!!!The btm of the freeze plug looked to have NO SIGN of corrosion. I trial fitted it in its hole and seems to be a tight fit. I do remember flushin out the block and the head during the overhaul and were both pretty clean,,, When all this was happening, I noticed a small leak around one of the bolts on the thermostat housing and after removin the 4 bolts,,the dang housing was stuck to head so I tapped it to break it loose and,,,,and,,,you guessed it,,the friggin thing cracked into the housing at one of the bolt holes,,,!! Looks like that might be what started the whole chit-a-risky as it had been leakin a tiny bit all along and I just did not notice it till water level got low enough to let engine get hot . In lookin thru some catalogs,,I see where there are radiator caps with two different pressure ratings,,one for 4# and one for 15#, according to the engine SN of 149-15457, it sussposed to take a 4# cap and I know it has a 7# cap,,,,Is there a real need to go with the 4# cap?? I;m gonna rig up a block off plate where the thermostat housing goes so I can go ahead and pressure test the whole system to make sure there ain't any more damage. At work,,we always used to test equipment at 1 1/2 times operating pressure is why I ask if this is a 4# system or the higher,,??? Last,,,but not the least,,,has anybody got a used 4 bolt with the bypass thermostat housing sittin on their shelf,,??? shoot me a PM,,,THANKS |
Posted By: DanC911
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2016 at 1:24pm
I second the freeze plugs. Happened to my WD over the summer. ------------- 1950 WD, 1955 B, 66 Jacobsen Chief-O-Matic, 68 Simplicity 2110, 77 IH Cub Cadet 1450 w/front loader |
steve(ill) wrote:Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2016 at 6:01pm
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Back in 87, I think was when the chesapeake froze over, the last time, I had gotten my great uncle's D-14 back from the dealer, who shall remain nameless. It was late sept, and they hadn't put anything but water in it, and didn't tell me. Went to start it in Dec, and it was froze solid, motor started, but the wp was froze, and the belt started burning! Anyway, parked a perfection 500 kerosene wick heater under it, with the oil plug out, left it run overnight, thawed all the ice out'n it, and chased 4 barn cats off'n the top of it, all three head fp's had blew, and the pot-metal t-stat housing was in a million pieces. Got all the new parts, bill was like $13.75... It's a well designed system, at least..
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Posted By: Michael V (NM)
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2016 at 6:38pm
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looks like youse was really lucky there Joe,,I hope that freeze plug was the only thing that happened.. I'd just about that D-14 was a 4# system, back in the day I don't really think they thought of much more... |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2016 at 7:24pm
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Yeah,,Michael,,,i've still got all my 11 fingers crossed on it being just the freeze plugs,,,,I went to Oreliiy's to rent a radiator Pressure tester but the kit did not have the right length plug to fit the radiator,,,so I didn't get to pressure up the system. I went ahead and installed the 3 new freeze plugs tho,, I had to make a block off plate for the thermostat housing for testin,,so, I'm gonna go ahead and make me a new housing as nobody has one,,,, |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2016 at 4:14am
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Glad to hear you found a frost plug out instead of them still in ... Think when the frost plug popped out, was when you had the water dump, not so much from a crack dripping through a bolt hole. ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2016 at 5:20am
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Well,,,I searched hi and low in this big old burg and never fount a radiator test kit that will work on the deep throat of the D14 radiator,,,,so guessin I;m gonna have to put a hold on this project and get one from Ebay,,,but cheapest (Don't look,Shameless,,!) one I see is bout $50,,,and not sure it will have the deep plug I need,,,,chi-eeet,,, Lookin like I'm gonna have to get my engineerin mind to work and make my own,,,,HMmmm,,,there is a 1/4" plug on the side of the block and with a regulator and a 0-15# pressure gauge,,,I could,,,,,, What have all others used on here,,??? |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2016 at 8:38am
| you want me to bid for you too Joe? between the 2 of us bidding, we could prolly gits it! |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2016 at 8:48am
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Gosh,,,Shameless,,,I really like how you do everything in your power to help me all the time,,,,,,it,,,,it,,,,,it makes me speechless,,,,,,,  |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2016 at 9:07am
you know Shameless, I'm plenty upset with you over my snow situation, but I still have to get a good laugh out of quip like that. Feels bad for Joe, though. Maybe you could send him a little white care package to cheer him up a little. ....probably NOT!!!!!!!Darrel |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2016 at 9:32am
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For less than that pressure test kit you could probably find a spare radiator cap with a higher pressure rating, then drill a hole in that new cap for plumbing fittings for a schrader valve and a pressure gauge and make your own test set with a gauge you already have or purchased from Surplus Center or epay cheaply. Cap, flange, nipple and pipe T. Or you could just be patient and look for loss of coolant after you have fixed the freeze plugs. With one of then out you haven't been developing radiator pressure at all and have essentially a big hose for coolant from cooling system to oil pan until the coolant got down below the top of the head. Unless a sleeve oring is really messed up it isn't going to leak at the pressure of about 1 foot head, about 1/2 psi. Gerald J. |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2016 at 1:05pm
| I have just installed the cap and plumbed rubber tube between overflow tube and air pressure regulator(like you may use for paint gun).Cant get more pressure than cap but a few lb is usually enough to show a leak with some time. |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2016 at 7:56pm
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FIRST OF ALL,,,,,many, many thanks for all youse Guys takin time to offer some help,,,I am finally ALMOST back to not feeling so down like I was yesterday,,,damng,,that hurt Ya know,,,??? Anyway,,I fashioned up a Shade Tree tester with a 1/2" pipe cross, 0-30 pressure gauge, shrader valve, and a regulator. I removed the temp sender and set the pipe T in it's place. The radiator cap leaked a little but I kept 8# on the system for bout 30 mins,,,,and NO LEAKS coming out of the oil pan,,,SOoooo,,,I believe I am good to go,,,, Put a level of Diesel in oil pan,,but I chickened out and will just get some cheap oil and run it and change out till oil is clear comin out of oil pan. I DO NOT want to hurt that engine ,,,, Again,,,Many Thanks Guys,,,,,, OOPS,,forgot something,,,the thermostat housing has a 1/2" by pass from water pump to thermostat housing..... What is the affect if I just plug both sides if this hose,,?? Looks like the bypass does bypass the thermostat to some degree,,,,,??? |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2016 at 9:15pm
| Joe glad to hear it was the freeze plug. You have soo much work into that d14 it made me want to cry when I first started reading you over heated it.... I plugged the radiator on my d15 brush hogging this fall and it scared the crap out of me as I have rebuilt that tractor. I had a flash back of being in the field with my d15 overheating when I read this. Glad to hear it was an easy fix. |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2016 at 8:59am
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Yeah,,Dan,,I'm feelin much better these days,,,but since duty calls,,I been workin on gettin all my Christmas decorations done so the finish-up of the d14 has taken a back seat for a day or so,,,, There is one other thing,,,I had used a Napa 1101 oil filter but Napa does not carry that filter any more,,and they list a Fram C159 as a crossover,,but don't carry it either,,,WTH,,?? Napa told me a 7011 will "work" but when I asked him if it was the bypass style ,,,he just got a blank look to him,,,  I would prefer a Fram but what filter are others using,,,??? |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2016 at 9:35am
| Joe that is like asking what oil people use... but I won't use napa when I rebuilt my d15 the napa gold filter wouldn't pass any oil at all if I hadn't been double checking everything I would have lost my freshly rebuild motor so maybe it was one bad filer out of a million but I will buy something else. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2016 at 6:29pm
I wouldn't plug the bypass, I guess you just wanna make it easier, to build a new housing, I'd look around a few junkyards, in the northeast, lots of D-14's around here. Have you tried Sandy Lake?
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Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2016 at 8:11pm
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DJ, I'm glad you're feeling better and everything is OK..........what a relief it is.....huh! The best place to get the filters is from Steve in NJ. He gave the best deal and I ordered 6 of em from him. They are the Fram's. I made my own testing rad cap too. Just drilled a hole in the cap and silver soldiered it. Worked like a charm until I lost it.........another one of those things that just grew legs and walked away...... I know where it's at, but........... I just don't give him the time of day anymore....... There's nothing wrong with less than adequate oil........not when you're testing things out. They don't give that chit away anymore....... Hope you got er nipped in the bud and NOTHING else is wrong! I know that sick, in the pit of the stomach, $3000 ache...... Good luck Buddy!! ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2016 at 8:01am
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"". I know where it's at, but........... I just don't give him the time of day anymore......."" Hey Ted,,I know bout loanin tools to family,,,Ya better remember WHO, WHAT and WHEN you loaned em cause generally you ain't ever gettin em back,,,'less you wrote it down,,and kept them notes in a hermetically sealed envelop under all the deer meat in the freezer,,,,,,, Years ago, I loaned My Grandpa; the $75 pair of booster cables out of the company trk. Yeah,,I should of known better but,,,,,and you guessed it. After he kept em for bout 2 months, I needed em at work and got an azz chewin cause they wasn't in the trk toolbox,,,!!! I called him and ,,,,he tells me,,,"NO,Son,,,I have a pair, but they is mine",,!! I never got em back. sheeesh,,,,,, |