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Posted: 15 Aug 2020 at 5:43pm |
,,,,,,,for a sob story,,,,,,I just cannot say "No" to a friend in need,,I can't,,,, I was up in the Alien town this mornin deliverin a parts car to a buddy that has a wrecking yard and met an old friend there that has a Hyster fork lift with a bad engine. He had picked up a Ford 6 cylinder engine that he was told would bolt up to the Hyster bell housing and wanted me to check out the Ford engine and get it running to install in the Hyster fork lift,,,,? The Ford is on a skid and has these numbers cast on side of block D7BE,,,6015 - CA . It has a tag --Ford Power Products but the SN, disp nor Model are NOT legible.
Anybody ID this engine from this limited info,?? I'm trying to upload some pics of the engine now,,,,,
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Posted: 15 Aug 2020 at 6:03pm |
 , Why would your "friend" need an engine that he bought "checked out" and get running by you  ?? Yes, I saw where you said "friend" 
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Posted: 15 Aug 2020 at 7:49pm |
In order, here is what each digit in a Ford part or casting number represents:DIGIT #1—DECADE OF MANUFACTURE:A - 1940
B - 1950
C - 1960
D - 1970
E - 1980
F - 1990
G - 2000 DIGIT #2—YEAR OF THE DECADE:0 - 1960, 1970, etc.
1 - 1961, 1971, etc.
2 - 1962, 1972, etc. 7 = 1977 Example: B8 = 1958; C1 = 1961; C9 = 1969; D9 = 1979, etc. DIGIT #3—CAR LINE:A = Ford (from 1958; Galaxie, Custom, LTD)
B = Bronco (1970-1973)
B = Maverick (1975-1977)
B = Fairmont (1978-1983)
C = Remanufactured Parts (1966-1975)
C = Ford Elite (1975-1976)
C = Mercury Capri (from 1979)
D = Falcon (1960-1969)
D = Maverick (1970-1974)
D = Granada (1975-1982)
D = Ford LTD (from 1983)
E = Ford Truck (Cab Over Engine; 1970-1973)
E = Escort (from 1981)
F = Foreign or TransAm Racing
F = Outside Sales (from 1962)
G = Mercury Comet (1961-1967)
G = Mercury Montego (1968-1976)
G = Ford EXP (from 1982)
H = Holman Moody HiPo Parts (until 1966)
H = Heavy Truck (1966-1982)
H = Medium Heavy Truck (from 1983)
J = Industrial Engines
K = Edsel (1958-1960)
L = Lincoln (1958-1960)
L = Continental Mark Series (from 1969)
M = Mercury
N = Tractor
O = Fairlane
O = Torino (1969-1976)
O = LTD II (1977-1979)
O = LN7 (1982-1983)
P = Autolite (1967-1972; Motorcraft from 1973)
R = Rotunda Brand (1962-1969)
R = Ford of Europe Imports (from 1970)
S = Thunderbird (from 1958)
T = All Truck Lines (1958-1965)
T = Light Medium Truck/Bronco (1974-1982)
T = Light Truck/Bronco (from 1983)
U = Econoline (1961-?)
V = Lincoln (1961-1981)
W = Cougar (1967-1973)
W = Bobcat (1975-1980)
W = Lynx (from 1981)
X = Trucks (1970-1973)
Y = Meteor (Canadian)
Y = Mercury Bobcat (1975-1980)
Y = Mercury Lynx (from 1981)
Z = Mustang
1 = (not used)
2 = Pinto (1971-1975)
3 = Tempo (from 1984)
4 = Comet (1971-1974)
4 = Monarch (1975-1980)
4 = Cougar (1981-1982)
4 = Marquis (from 1983)
5 = Recreational Vehicles (1974-1975)
5 = Continental (from 1982)
6 = Pantera (1971-1975)
7 = Courier Truck (1971-1975)
7 = Ranger and Bronco II (from 1983)
8 = Capri (1972-1975; U.S.-designed parts)
9 = Turbine Engine Parts (1970-1975) DIGIT #4—ENGINEERING OFFICE RESPONSIBLE FOR ORIGINAL DESIGN:A = Light Truck Engineering Division
B = Body and Electrical Product Division
C = Chassis Engineering (Powertrain and Chassis Product Engineering)
D = Overseas Product Engineering
E = Engine Engineering
F = Electrical and Electronics Division (Product Engineering Office)
G = (not used)
H = Climate Control Division (from 1972) (Product Engineering Office)
I = (not used)
J = Autolite/Ford Parts and Service Division (Parts and Service Engineering Office)
K = (not used)
L = Industrial Engine Operations (Ford Parts and Service Division)
M = Performance Operations and Special Vehicle Operations (SVO) (includes Holman Moody)
N = Ford Tractor Operations (Product Engineering Office and Diversified Products Operations)
O = (not used)
P = Automatic Transmission and Axle Engineering
Q = (not used)
R = Manual Transmission and Axle Engineering
S = Light and Heavy Truck Engineering/Truck Special Order Parts
T = Heavy Truck Engineering
U = Special Vehicle Operations (SVO)
V = Vehicle Special Order and Engineering Section
W = Transmission, Axle, and Driveshaft Engineering
X = Emissions, Economy and Special Vehicle Engineering (high performance parts)
Y = Lincoln/Mercury Division Service Parts
Z = Ford Division Service Parts DIGITS #5-9—BASIC PART NUMBER:This series of numerals denote the actual part description, i.e., wheel assembly, relay assembly, etc. It is possible a letter or two may also appear within the series of numerals. The basic part number is still the same, however if the alphabetical letters are disregarded. DIGITS #10-12 (SUFFIX)—DESIGN CHANGE:Normally an alphabetical letter, with the original design being designated by the letter "A". A first revision to the original design would normally be noted with a "B", although sometimes this digit identifies a completely different component, even though the basic part is the same. For instance, different engine displacements and designs. Parts finished in different colors can be identified by their suffix numbers as well. For instance, the Simulated Styled Steel Wheel Covers for a 1969 Ford Thunderbird carry the basic part number C9SZ-1130D, followed by -26B for Brittany Blue color, 13D for Candyapple Red color, etc.
Edited by steve(ill) - 15 Aug 2020 at 7:50pm
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Posted: 15 Aug 2020 at 7:54pm |
encyclopedia---
Minor changes were made from 1973 to 1975. For 1973, the 170 CID engine was dropped, making the 200 CID I6 the standard engine.....no changes for 1976-77.
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Posted: 15 Aug 2020 at 9:12pm |
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Joe my son has 1 in a skid loader. It has been a real pain in the tookas. He was told it was the same as a car engine. The governor is totally different, starter is different, everything about the distributator is different. He finally found a new starter in an obscure shop in Chicago. He did find a local guy to fix the governor and he found distributor parts in California. Parts for his are almost non existent. I would sure look the situation over before I took it on. Good luck.
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Posted: 15 Aug 2020 at 10:47pm |
Thanks for that info, Steve,,,,a maverick,,,??? OK,,,some friends come over and brought their 10 year old son,,,and after watchin me strugglin with tryin to transfer pics from IPhone to PC,,,he asks if he can try,,,,,,I'll you for sure,,thet little boy is one day gonna own the cia or be the best scammer in the world,,,, 
I'ma give it a whirl with his assistance,,,,,
Yowza,,,,,
Is this for reals,,??  CHIT FIRE,,,that little kid is one valuable little boy How does one tell if it is the 170 or the 200 six cylinder? It has whats left of a governor on right side,,?? Right off the bat,,looks like it needs distributor cap and wires and a starter. It does turn free and has compression,,,,
anybody know what bell Housing patterns this may be,,????
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Posted: 16 Aug 2020 at 1:07am |
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looks like an air pump on it. That alone would be enough to scare me away! no carb? no intake manifold. The emission set up on those '70s Fords were a nightmare. Of course, if it is an industrial version, may not have all the emissions stuff, but that would mean diff carb and manifold
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Posted: 16 Aug 2020 at 1:18am |
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you can see it used to be blue, and was repainted. that is prolly a car engine, other engines that went into machinery/farm equip were industrial engines. had a Haggie high boy sprayer once with a Chrysler slant 6, when i had to get parts (starter) i found out they were different from a vehicle engine, it was an industrial engine. i then learned that most all engines werte leke that...they looked the same, but were very different. looks like your "friend" got "honked"!
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Posted: 16 Aug 2020 at 6:54am |
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I worked at Heathercrest Farms when I was in high school a few yrs after, they had a Ford skid steer, that everybody there claimed the engine was the same block as what was used in a Pinto.
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Posted: 16 Aug 2020 at 7:10am |
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Joe let me do some digging. Visually a 170 and 200 are the same. That’s what the pics appear to be.
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Posted: 16 Aug 2020 at 7:14am |
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The 144 170 200 except late ones and 250 had their own unique bolt pattern
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Posted: 16 Aug 2020 at 7:25am |
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144 and 170 have 3 freeze plugs visible below the exhaust manifold and 200 and 250 have 5.
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Posted: 16 Aug 2020 at 8:51am |
the BLOCK number D7B should be 1970 vintage, 77 actual year, and put in a Maverick... In 1977 i think the 200 was the only 6 cyl engine available for the maverick.
If it was for an industrial version, the letter "B" would have been a "J" or other ??
You would think a BLOCK was BLOCK... why a different casting for a car / truck / tractor ?? maybe the distributor hole / etc ??
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Posted: 16 Aug 2020 at 9:04am |
Hey Thanks, Thad,,It does have the 5 freeze plugs on right side of block. It does have a belt driven "Pierce Cove" governor so is prolly an industrial engine,,?? What is puzzling me is where did they mount the starter? It must be mounted way down low on the bell housing as there are no bolt holes on the block that I see,,,?? Fact is there is not a "relief" on either side of the block for the starter,,,?
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Posted: 16 Aug 2020 at 2:06pm |
Hand Crank Start Joe. 
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Posted: 16 Aug 2020 at 6:51pm |
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Starter was prolly mounted on the bell housing plate adapter.
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Posted: 16 Aug 2020 at 7:38pm |
Yeah,,JC,,I figured that but there is NO cut out or "relief" on the block like most others I've seen,,,, And NO!!,, Chask there ain't no crank start,,,,I done looked,,,, Kinda weird there ain't a place for a starter,,tho,,,I cleaned and re checked on the btm of the block back there and there are NO threaded bolt holes on the ears of the block,,,,on either side ,,,so ,,WTH,,??
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Posted: 16 Aug 2020 at 9:28pm |
DJ, your in luck, I can give you a visual... asbra~KaDABRA!.. PRESTO!
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Posted: 16 Aug 2020 at 9:49pm |
yep,,JC,,that sure looks like what I got. Went back outside and re-looked and the right side of this block has the 3 bolt holes kinda in a verticlal orientation that I'm thinking is what the bell housing bolts to,,?. Looks like what I got to locate is the "plate" that mounts the starter,,can't tell if that is a 2 bolt starter or a 3 bolt starter,,?? Plus a bellhousing, so I can see what else it is going to need to start and run,,,but RUN it will,,!!!!
Is there any indication that the engine is an industrial model or maybe just one scrounged out of a mavrick car,,?? The belt driven governor makes me think industrial but,,,,,?? Many Thanks for your help, JC,, I LOVE projects like this but they sure keep me from those I should be working on,,,,,GRRrrrrrrr,,,,
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Posted: 16 Aug 2020 at 10:11pm |
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Just a stab in the dark, but, would that be the same engine used in the Versatile swathers?
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Posted: 17 Aug 2020 at 7:43pm |
Hey JC,,on closer inspection on the two pics,,one looks to have the starter mounting to be part of the bell housing and the other pic has what looks like a plate that fits between the block and the bell housing,,,???
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Posted: 17 Aug 2020 at 7:51pm |
DJ I think it (the starter) definitely mounts on an adapter casting for the bell housing (clutch/Flywheel housing?), 2 bolts. My question is what mounted on top of that casting, and what is the large appendage hanging below the starter mount
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Posted: 17 Aug 2020 at 8:28pm |
 desertjoe wrote:
Hey JC,,on closer inspection on the two pics,,one looks to have the starter mounting to be part of the bell housing and the other pic has what looks like a plate that fits between the block and the bell housing,,,???
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Lots of Fords mount the starter like that. They have a flat plate between the bell housing and BlocK like pictured. The starter bolts to the bell housing. I’ve started many by just bolting the starter to that plate and bolting the plate to the block with short bolts.
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Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 4:33am |
Thad in AR. wrote:
desertjoe wrote:
Hey JC,,on closer inspection on the two pics,,one looks to have the starter mounting to be part of the bell housing and the other pic has what looks like a plate that fits between the block and the bell housing,,,???
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Lots of Fords mount the starter like that. They have a flat plate between the bell housing and BlocK like pictured. The starter bolts to the bell housing. I’ve started many by just bolting the starter to that plate and bolting the plate to the block with short bolts.
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You know,,Thad,,now that you mentioned that,,,,seems like I remember way back when My Son and I were restoring his 65 Mustang with a 289 and an automatic,,(an ALD, I think) it had a Plate that fit between the block and the tranny and the starter bolted to it,,,,I'll have to admit,,the only'ist thing I used to dislike bout them fords is that they had so dang many different bell housing bolt patterns,,,,not like them Chevys,,,all v8s had same bolt pattern to the bell housing,,,, |
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Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 8:38am |
There were a lot of differences between the Industrial engines and the Automobile engines. One major factor, especially the Starter mounting which you feller's are discussing. I know a lot of Hysters used the F226 or F227 Continental engines which were one tough engine. We had em' at work. Starters bolted to the Bellhousing adapter also if I remember correctly. And boy could they could pick! I think we still have a couple at other District locations. The one we had at our shop was a 1963 H80C. I swear, that thing could pick a building up! LOL! We had some air compressors and wire pullers equipped with the Ford overhead cam motors, (like Pinto/Mustang II) but again, they were a little different in their accessories. Different intakes & Carburetors due to different linkages used for the applications along with Govenors. Steve@B&B
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Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 10:56am |
Well Joe, looks like your getting onfo to some degree...
Truckfarmer, Swathers were one of the applications, think the sprayers were another... and used in wood chippers, generators, etc.
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Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 11:43am |
OK,,I got on a Website,,Ford Power Products.com and according to some of those folks,,what I have is a 1977 Ford 200 out of a Maverick,,,, like ole Steve said earlier. The pics I took of the engine are same as what they posted. The smaller of the inline 6 's have the integrated intake manifold on the cylinder head, which this one has, also the water pump is 3 bolts Vs the larger engines which have 4 bolt water pumps. Somebody must of added the belt driven governor on this engine when they decided to use as an industrial application. Gonna remove the governor and prolly save or sell as it is free turning.
What I need now is a bell housing and a starter for that year maverick or granada. I took the flywheel off and am gonna make me a template for the bell housing bolting to start my scrounging in the wrecking yards,,,,anybody got one in their stash,,,???
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Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 12:25pm |
joe, the block is from a ford maverick, but the yellow is from a different engine bolted on to that block... Head, cover, cleaner, distributor, fan, coil, governor... go check the Hyster bell housing, maybe it already has the plate on it that you need... check location of the starter hole too... maybe get luck and find the flywheel would fit the FM engine?
Governor is used for constant stead power, I don't know if the forklift would need that or not.
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Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 12:28pm |
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Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 2:30pm |
go check the Hyster bell housing, maybe it already has the plate on it that you need... check location of the starter hole too...
YEA... in the end if it has to match up to the HYSTER BELL HOUSING, you might as well get it NOW and check out the fit... TOO late later if it wont fit that housing.
It may not be just a simple bell housing since it has to have a hydraulic pump drive, transmission drive, and steering pump drive ???
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