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Are there Bailers the WD won't power? |
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acisbest ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 09 Oct 2009 Location: SE, PA Points: 142 |
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Hello,
I have about 10 acres which is mostly wooded. Maybe an acre of field that I brush hog from time to time and also use the tractors to Skid large logs out of the woods. My neighbor rang my bell yesterday. He has a sheep farm with about 17 acres. His tractor blew up and wanted to know If I could help him bail his hay. I have a D17 but it's hooked up to my Mcconnel Backhoe and I don't want to unhook it. My WD is available and it has a 3 point hitch attached to the snap coupler. I've seen him bailing, it's a small square bailer, it might be a New Holland and I forgot to ask him exactly what it was. I'm hoping the WD will power it. I'm sure the WD will power the side delivery rake. I told him I would want to operate my tractors since they are old an temperamental. Do you think I'll be ok with the WD? Regards, acisbest AC HD6G, C, CA, WD, D17, G
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CAL(KS) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Location: Chapman, KS Points: 3804 |
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should work as long as you arnt pulling loaded wagons on hills with the baler. you didnt mention any accumulator setup. Remember, if the wd is too fast or the windrow is too big, you can use the hand clutch and keep the pto chugging.
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Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20
Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
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WF owner ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 5051 |
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I've baled a lot of hay with a WD (and always pulled a wagon behind). The only (minor) problem you may have is hydraulic hookups, if the baler has a thrower.
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Ranse ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Mar 2016 Location: Tennessee Points: 775 |
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A good running WD should handle a baler just fine. 30 hp is all you need. I pull one with my D-10. A WD is heavier, I'm not sure if it has a D-10 beat horsepower wise by much, but it should handle a baler.
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AaronSEIA ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Mt Pleasant, IA Points: 2573 |
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Unless it has some kind of hydraulic accumulator or something, a WD will easily run any plane jane square baler ever built. AaronSEIA
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acisbest ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 09 Oct 2009 Location: SE, PA Points: 142 |
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Ok, good information, thanks. It's a flat field and I can't remember if he ejected the bales into a trailer or just dropped them on the field. If he drops them I'll have to de-hitch the D17 because it has a trip loader.
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nella(Pa) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Allentown, Pa. Points: 3131 |
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My WD will run my JD 24T with no trouble, if you have hills, rake and bale on the contour if pulling a wagon. Bale the hill section with an empty wagon and fill the wagon on the level section of the feild.
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DaveKamp ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 2010 Location: LeClaire, Ia Points: 6088 |
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My Grandpa's opinion was that the best hay-making tractor ever built, was the D17... the power steering, ergonomics, and power-director being the three main reasons... but I'm absolutely certain the WD would have no problem covering the need, as long as hydraulics weren't needed. It'll be good work for it... they stay cleaner inside when they get worked well every now'n then.
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Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest.
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TimCNY ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2014 Location: Upstate NY Points: 1551 |
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Considering that back in the 60's the New Holland balers on two of the farms on our road were powered by Wisconsin engines, I can't see the WD being underpowered...
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Robert Musgrave ![]() Silver Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: SE Wisconsin Points: 241 |
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As a kid on mostly flat ground, we ran a New Holland Super 68- "A hay in a day" machine- with a WD45 but I think a WD would also be capable; we used the WD to jockey empty wagons back to the field. We also would rake with a steel-wheel ground-driven rake using a Model B or the WD. R. Musgrave
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WF owner ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 5051 |
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Some of the high capacity balers, like the Hesston inline baler, take a considerable amount of power, but the average square baler doesn't take much.
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DennisA (IL) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Ridott IL. Points: 2075 |
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I baled with the CA and pulling a wagon behind for years without issues. A WD will handle a small square baler no problem. If the tongue starts bucking you're going to slow.
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Thanks & God Bless
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Hubert (Ga)engine7 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Jackson Cnty,GA Points: 6498 |
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Baled with Dad's WD and a NH 268(?) for years. Never had any problems running out of power. Usually baled all summer long for Dad and 2 of my uncles.
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Just an old country boy saved by the grace of God.
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1951WDNWWI ![]() Bronze Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jul 2011 Location: NW Wisconsin Points: 118 |
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We baled hay with a H Farmall, six less horse power than a WD, on a New Holland 66 baler. No problem at all. Like a previous post said if you start 'bucking' you are not feeding the baler fast enough. We would load 120 bales to a load. You did not want to find a badger hole with the wagon. Fast way to unload.
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JohnCO ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Niwot Colo Points: 8992 |
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I baled thousands of bales with my CA and MF #10 baler back in the '70s.
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"If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer"
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8543 |
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acisbest,
We need some pictures! You should not have any issues as others have mentioned. Baled with WD and 45's with New Holland 268 balers for years. Hand clutch is a great tool for this project. Regards, Chris
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Lonn ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Назарово,Russia Points: 29817 |
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Lonn ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Назарово,Russia Points: 29817 |
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Here you can watch what the little tractors did back in the day. Second video has balers [TUBE]ys29TVxIVQA[/TUBE] [TUBE]VT98KorMKYQ[/TUBE]
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8543 |
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Lonn,
You do have a tag line! ![]() its: "I have no tag line" Just thought I would throw that out there! Thanks for the Allis videos too. Regards, Chris
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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Lonn ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Назарово,Russia Points: 29817 |
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I had a better one but not PC enough I guess. Oh well, not my website. It had something to do with a certain Medieval religious leader and it was a true statement. You'll have to use your imagination as to what it said.
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allisbred ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 2015 Location: Hanover Pa Points: 1011 |
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What Baler will you be using? New Holland makes balers that a wd would have problems moving(560 or bigger) without weight on the front end and they made many like a 273 that are “feather” light and anything between. My 45 would have the power for my 315 but think it would throw me around a bit, not to mention the wear on the pto.
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Ed (Ont) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Nov 2009 Location: New Lowell, Ont Points: 1505 |
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We did thousands of bales with WD45 and New Holland 270 baler and wagon on behind. Had some hills as well but not real big hills. Usually 120 to 125 bales on full wagon same as Lonn. Tires were loaded of course. I really like how it worked. Later we had a MF165 diesel which was a bit heavier. I preferred the WD45. The pto speed on the MF seemed a bit slower. Had to run throttle it up lots.
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WF owner ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 5051 |
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...and the quick governor on the WD45 really helped when you got into heavier hay.
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1951WDNWWI ![]() Bronze Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jul 2011 Location: NW Wisconsin Points: 118 |
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DennisA (IL) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Ridott IL. Points: 2075 |
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I think everyone that looks at a “CA” as being to small to do any real work should watch the second video as it cuts and bales hay with a wagon being pulled behind to boot. Just goes to show you don’t need a 100 hp tractor to get the job done.
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Thanks & God Bless
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RMD ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Oct 2009 Location: Connecticut Points: 304 |
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But note that all the bailers in the second video have there own engines - they are not powered by the tractor's PTO. I can remember my uncle bailing with a Ferguson TO-30 that way.
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WF owner ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 5051 |
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Some of the Amish around here use an old baler with a Wisconsin engine behind a horse drawn fore-cart.
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DennisA (IL) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Ridott IL. Points: 2075 |
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The CA has plenty of power to run and pull a baler with wagon. |
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Thanks & God Bless
Dennis |
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CTuckerNWIL ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW Illinois Points: 22825 |
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Back when I was about 14, I used Dad's CA to pull the 14T baler, pto powered, and a hayrack behind. Never had a problem with it, though it was on mostly flat to rolling hills.
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EPALLIS ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Illinois Points: 1161 |
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I ran a WD with an International 46 for years. I did add one set of rear and front wheel weights with that big fly wheel in front. At the end of the day it handled it all just fine even pulling a wagon load of square hay bales as well.. Hope that helps. Thanks!
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