Are there Bailers the WD won't power?
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Topic: Are there Bailers the WD won't power?
Posted By: acisbest
Subject: Are there Bailers the WD won't power?
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2019 at 8:26am
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Hello, I have about 10 acres which is mostly wooded. Maybe an acre of field that I brush hog from time to time and also use the tractors to Skid large logs out of the woods. My neighbor rang my bell yesterday. He has a sheep farm with about 17 acres. His tractor blew up and wanted to know If I could help him bail his hay. I have a D17 but it's hooked up to my Mcconnel Backhoe and I don't want to unhook it. My WD is available and it has a 3 point hitch attached to the snap coupler. I've seen him bailing, it's a small square bailer, it might be a New Holland and I forgot to ask him exactly what it was. I'm hoping the WD will power it. I'm sure the WD will power the side delivery rake. I told him I would want to operate my tractors since they are old an temperamental. Do you think I'll be ok with the WD? Regards, acisbest AC HD6G, C, CA, WD, D17, G
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Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2019 at 8:31am
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should work as long as you arnt pulling loaded wagons on hills with the baler. you didnt mention any accumulator setup. Remember, if the wd is too fast or the windrow is too big, you can use the hand clutch and keep the pto chugging.
------------- Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20 Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2019 at 8:57am
| I've baled a lot of hay with a WD (and always pulled a wagon behind). The only (minor) problem you may have is hydraulic hookups, if the baler has a thrower. |
Posted By: Ranse
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2019 at 9:01am
| A good running WD should handle a baler just fine. 30 hp is all you need. I pull one with my D-10. A WD is heavier, I'm not sure if it has a D-10 beat horsepower wise by much, but it should handle a baler. |
Posted By: AaronSEIA
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2019 at 9:03am
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Unless it has some kind of hydraulic accumulator or something, a WD will easily run any plane jane square baler ever built. AaronSEIA
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Posted By: acisbest
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2019 at 9:25am
| Ok, good information, thanks. It's a flat field and I can't remember if he ejected the bales into a trailer or just dropped them on the field. If he drops them I'll have to de-hitch the D17 because it has a trip loader. |
Posted By: nella(Pa)
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2019 at 9:29am
| My WD will run my JD 24T with no trouble, if you have hills, rake and bale on the contour if pulling a wagon. Bale the hill section with an empty wagon and fill the wagon on the level section of the feild. |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2019 at 10:09am
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My Grandpa's opinion was that the best hay-making tractor ever built, was the D17... the power steering, ergonomics, and power-director being the three main reasons... but I'm absolutely certain the WD would have no problem covering the need, as long as hydraulics weren't needed. It'll be good work for it... they stay cleaner inside when they get worked well every now'n then. ------------- Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest. |
Posted By: TimCNY
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2019 at 1:58pm
Considering that back in the 60's the New Holland balers on two of the farms on our road were powered by Wisconsin engines, I can't see the WD being underpowered... 
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Posted By: Robert Musgrave
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2019 at 2:32pm
| As a kid on mostly flat ground, we ran a New Holland Super 68- "A hay in a day" machine- with a WD45 but I think a WD would also be capable; we used the WD to jockey empty wagons back to the field. We also would rake with a steel-wheel ground-driven rake using a Model B or the WD. R. Musgrave |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2019 at 2:52pm
| Some of the high capacity balers, like the Hesston inline baler, take a considerable amount of power, but the average square baler doesn't take much. |
Posted By: DennisA (IL)
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2019 at 6:04pm
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I baled with the CA and pulling a wagon behind for years without issues. A WD will handle a small square baler no problem. If the tongue starts bucking you're going to slow. ------------- Thanks & God Bless Dennis |
Posted By: Hubert (Ga)engine7
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2019 at 7:36pm
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Baled with Dad's WD and a NH 268(?) for years. Never had any problems running out of power. Usually baled all summer long for Dad and 2 of my uncles. ------------- Just an old country boy saved by the grace of God. |
Posted By: 1951WDNWWI
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2019 at 9:34pm
We baled hay with a H Farmall, six less horse power than a WD, on a New Holland 66 baler. No problem at all. Like a previous post said if you start 'bucking' you are not feeding the baler fast enough. We would load 120 bales to a load. You did not want to find a badger hole with the wagon. Fast way to unload.
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Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2019 at 11:44pm
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I baled thousands of bales with my CA and MF #10 baler back in the '70s. ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2019 at 6:08am
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acisbest, We need some pictures! You should not have any issues as others have mentioned. Baled with WD and 45's with New Holland 268 balers for years. Hand clutch is a great tool for this project. Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2019 at 6:26am
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1951WDNWWI wrote:Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2019 at 6:34am
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Here you can watch what the little tractors did back in the day. Second video has balers [TUBE]ys29TVxIVQA[/TUBE] [TUBE]VT98KorMKYQ[/TUBE] ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2019 at 6:38am
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Lonn, You do have a tag line!  its: "I have no tag line" Just thought I would throw that out there! Thanks for the Allis videos too. Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2019 at 6:44am
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I had a better one but not PC enough I guess. Oh well, not my website. It had something to do with a certain Medieval religious leader and it was a true statement. You'll have to use your imagination as to what it said. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: allisbred
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2019 at 6:58am
| What Baler will you be using? New Holland makes balers that a wd would have problems moving(560 or bigger) without weight on the front end and they made many like a 273 that are “feather” light and anything between. My 45 would have the power for my 315 but think it would throw me around a bit, not to mention the wear on the pto. |
Posted By: Ed (Ont)
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2019 at 8:29am
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We did thousands of bales with WD45 and New Holland 270 baler and wagon on behind. Had some hills as well but not real big hills. Usually 120 to 125 bales on full wagon same as Lonn. Tires were loaded of course. I really like how it worked. Later we had a MF165 diesel which was a bit heavier. I preferred the WD45. The pto speed on the MF seemed a bit slower. Had to run throttle it up lots. |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2019 at 10:18am
...and the quick governor on the WD45 really helped when you got into heavier hay.
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Posted By: 1951WDNWWI
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2019 at 1:17pm
 It had a loader on it and duals and it would do 28 MPH on the narrow front end. Dad bought it without the duals. We thinks it was 'cranked' up a little. One time running from a neighbors place to home pulling a full load of hay I passed an IH 656 pulling a baler and wagon on a paved county road. Should have seen the surprised look he had.
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Posted By: DennisA (IL)
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2019 at 1:41pm
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I think everyone that looks at a “CA” as being to small to do any real work should watch the second video as it cuts and bales hay with a wagon being pulled behind to boot. Just goes to show you don’t need a 100 hp tractor to get the job done. ------------- Thanks & God Bless Dennis |
Posted By: RMD
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2019 at 3:44pm
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But note that all the bailers in the second video have there own engines - they are not powered by the tractor's PTO. I can remember my uncle bailing with a Ferguson TO-30 that way. |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2019 at 3:51pm
Some of the Amish around here use an old baler with a Wisconsin engine behind a horse drawn fore-cart.
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Posted By: DennisA (IL)
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2019 at 8:36pm
The CA has plenty of power to run and pull a baler with wagon. ------------- Thanks & God Bless Dennis |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2019 at 9:02pm
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Back when I was about 14, I used Dad's CA to pull the 14T baler, pto powered, and a hayrack behind. Never had a problem with it, though it was on mostly flat to rolling hills. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: EPALLIS
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2019 at 9:18pm
| I ran a WD with an International 46 for years. I did add one set of rear and front wheel weights with that big fly wheel in front. At the end of the day it handled it all just fine even pulling a wagon load of square hay bales as well.. Hope that helps. Thanks! |