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Joe in Manty 
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Posted: 27 Mar 2018 at 11:18pm |
Was looking into a different disc for behind the 170. I saw a hydraulic transport 13 footer advertised that needs some repair but I am wondering if that is too large. It wouldn't be used for real heavy tillage, mainly weed control and finishing. We have a range of soils from clay to loam to deep black soil. The 170 has fluid in the tires with good tread. I can also add additional weight if needed.
It is about 150 miles away or about 2-1/2 hours. Would it be wise to drive it that far or should it be put on a trailer? I have not gone to see it yet so I am not sure what model it is.
Any help is appreciated.
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Posted: 28 Mar 2018 at 1:10am |
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Joe back in the early 1960's dad bought a 13'6" AC wing disk, snap coupler hookup. His early D17 pulled it OK. In plowed ground he had some 14.9x28 duals we put on. He got hung up on a washout and took the snap coupler hitch off the disk and used a clevas. He had fluid in his rears and did not need the snap coupler.
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Posted: 28 Mar 2018 at 6:41am |
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My experience is a 11ft. disk is about the max. especially if you have any hills.
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Posted: 28 Mar 2018 at 8:00am |
I think 13' is too much for a 170. It might pull it, but it will be right at it's max all the time. If you do decide to buy it, I definitely would not plan on towing it 150 miles!!!
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Posted: 28 Mar 2018 at 9:54am |
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There are soooooo many variables when it comes to a disc. Diameter of the blades and the WEIGHT per blade and the angle of the gangs. A 170 could pull a 13 ft disc from the 1960's that was made for a 50 HP tractor. There are 13 ft discs built in the last 20 years that could take 150 HP to pull!!!! ASK THEM HOW MANY HP IT TAKES TO PULL THAT PARTICULAR DISC would be a good place to start.
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Posted: 28 Mar 2018 at 11:17am |
I would strongly suggest loading on a trailer if you decide to purchase. That's a long way to tow. I would heed DrAllis's advice. Dad and i recently purchased a 12 ft crustbuster offset that the previous owner said needed at least 135 hp to pull.
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Posted: 28 Mar 2018 at 12:34pm |
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I don’t know where you are located st no I have a Allis disc for sale good shape too . I am in southwestern Wisc
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Posted: 28 Mar 2018 at 12:54pm |
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In the 60's I pulled a 13' disk with a D17 gas with no problems, no duals, in tilled ground. The only problem was folding and unfolding the wings. Them suckers were heavy.
Edited by john(MI) - 28 Mar 2018 at 6:29pm
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Posted: 28 Mar 2018 at 1:33pm |
The Doc's post.... WHAT 13 foot disc?
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Posted: 28 Mar 2018 at 2:45pm |
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Look up AMCO model G2- 2032 offset disc. Only a 10 ft 4 inch cut and recommended 200 to 240 engine HP for rubber tires. That's more like 7080 ++ tractor to pull it.
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Posted: 28 Mar 2018 at 2:49pm |
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Look up AMCO model G2- 2032 offset disc. Only a 10 ft 4 inch cut and recommended 200 to 240 engine HP for rubber tires. That's more like 7080 ++ tractor to pull it. |
I think I did a horrible job expressing myself  I wasn't asking you what disc. I was giving your post a X2, and asking the OP what disc. Sorry. I know it's too late now, but I would have quoted you had I meant to ask you. Sorry again.
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Posted: 28 Mar 2018 at 6:24pm |
IMO, a 13' might be asking alot of a 170, we pulled a 12' JD behind a D-17 in tilled ground with duals and it was a workout for it. JMO 
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Posted: 28 Mar 2018 at 8:36pm |
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All depends on the disc. I have a McCormick #37 disc, 14 footer. Generally considered a finish disc. Pull it with my WD45. The old girl snorts pretty good if I sink it in. Took 2 blades off outside of each gang making it about 9 1/2'. Pulls it fairly decent now depending on how aggressive I have it set. I can knock down plowed ground in a couple passes. Third pass will make it look like I ran a tiller through it if the moisture is right. I've seen a John Deere RWA 12' disc pulled by a similar sized tractor without any problems. All depends on the disc and how you set it.
Edited by truckerfarmer - 28 Mar 2018 at 8:37pm
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Posted: 29 Mar 2018 at 7:33am |
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Yeah, I was waiting for the people to jump in saying they pull a 12' with their WD45
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Posted: 29 Mar 2018 at 9:01am |
Allis dave wrote:
Yeah, I was waiting for the people to jump in saying they pull a 12' with their WD45 |
what are you saying Dave?Can't be done? The 200 11 blade disc was made for the D17.Just asking.
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Posted: 29 Mar 2018 at 10:09am |
SteveM C/IL wrote:
Allis dave wrote:
Yeah, I was waiting for the people to jump in saying they pull a 12' with their WD45 |
what are you saying Dave?Can't be done? The 200 11 blade disc was made for the D17.Just asking. |
No, I know a lot of people that did it. I pull a 10' with my WD45, and I could probably do a 12' ok, if I didn't bury it to the axle in soft plowed ground. A 170 is about the same HP as a D17 so I'm surprised that almost everyone is saying a 13' is too big. I was waiting for a bunch of guys to say they always pulled a 12' with their 45 but none said it yet. Like every already said, it depends if it's a light finishing disk, a heavy cutting disk, or an even heavier offset disk.
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Posted: 29 Mar 2018 at 12:09pm |
Is it a diesel ??? and a lot of it has to do with how its weighted. We've been dragging this up and down hills for years with a 170 diesel. 16.9x28 duals, fluid in inside tires, 300 lbs pie wheel weights per side and 6 front weights. Now we don't ask her to go real fast, but she gets along fine. 
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Posted: 29 Mar 2018 at 12:17pm |
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Pulled a folding wing snap coupler/traction booster behind a well running WD 45 in Eastern Ne, heavy bottom soil as well as hills. Obviously you couldn't go real deep in plowed ground. This was before duals and getting into real wet stuff was a challenge to get back out of. All things considered, the 45 handled it fairly well.
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Posted: 29 Mar 2018 at 2:57pm |
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That's a nice looking tractor Ranger
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Posted: 29 Mar 2018 at 6:39pm |
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ranger42,that IS an awesome looking setup, but WHAT does a diesel have anything to do with pulling a disk ?? IMO, HP is HP ?
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Posted: 29 Mar 2018 at 6:41pm |
Allis dave wrote:
SteveM C/IL wrote:
Allis dave wrote:
Yeah, I was waiting for the people to jump in saying they pull a 12' with their WD45 |
what are you saying Dave?Can't be done? The 200 11 blade disc was made for the D17.Just asking. |
No, I know a lot of people that did it. I pull a 10' with my WD45, and I could probably do a 12' ok, if I didn't bury it to the axle in soft plowed ground. A 170 is about the same HP as a D17 so I'm surprised that almost everyone is saying a 13' is too big. I was waiting for a bunch of guys to say they always pulled a 12' with their 45 but none said it yet. Like every already said, it depends if it's a light finishing disk, a heavy cutting disk, or an even heavier offset disk.
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Posted: 29 Mar 2018 at 6:44pm |
Allis dave wrote:
SteveM C/IL wrote:
Allis dave wrote:
Yeah, I was waiting for the people to jump in saying they pull a 12' with their WD45 |
what are you saying Dave?Can't be done? The 200 11 blade disc was made for the D17.Just asking. |
No, I know a lot of people that did it. I pull a 10' with my WD45, and I could probably do a 12' ok, if I didn't bury it to the axle in soft plowed ground. A 170 is about the same HP as a D17 so I'm surprised that almost everyone is saying a 13' is too big. I was waiting for a bunch of guys to say they always pulled a 12' with their 45 but none said it yet. Like every already said, it depends if it's a light finishing disk, a heavy cutting disk, or an even heavier offset disk.
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We had several area farmers that MAXED OUT their '45's with 10' OLIVER disks on "our ground".
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Posted: 29 Mar 2018 at 7:10pm |
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ranger42,that IS an awesome looking setup, but WHAT does a diesel have anything to do with pulling a disk ?? IMO, HP is HP ? |
Thanks, we bought it new and its been one heck of a tractor for us. As far as the diesel part that 236 perkins is one lugging son of a gun. we have had 45's, and 17's and just could never get what we were able to get out of the 170 diesel.
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Posted: 29 Mar 2018 at 7:17pm |
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Thanks.was just curious. BTW, what is that planter??
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Posted: 29 Mar 2018 at 7:57pm |
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Thanks.was just curious. BTW, what is that planter?? |
It is a 6 row Kinze 2000. We have it set-up for No-Till corn predominantly and we apply 28% with the openers on front and then 10-34-00 with zinc and ascend growth regulator out of the small center tank through keeton seed firmers. I won't lie, when its full of fertilizer and seed that 170 will grunt.
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Posted: 29 Mar 2018 at 8:10pm |
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Posted: 30 Mar 2018 at 7:41am |
ranger42 wrote:
FREEDGUY wrote:
ranger42,that IS an awesome looking setup, but WHAT does a diesel have anything to do with pulling a disk ?? IMO, HP is HP ? |
Thanks, we bought it new and its been one heck of a tractor for us. As far as the diesel part that 236 perkins is one lugging son of a gun. we have had 45's, and 17's and just could never get what we were able to get out of the 170 diesel. |
I have to agree with the explanation of "the diesel part". IMO, when you're going to be near the top of a tractor's capacity, and you're going to be there for hours, I'd rather be doing that to a diesel engine than a gasser, even though HP is HP.
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Posted: 02 Apr 2018 at 11:35pm |
Guess I can add some more info to my initial question.
The disc listed was an Allis and it looked like a 200 or 2000 series model based on the pictures in the AC Farm Equipment 1914-1985 book. It was listed on craigslist in Madison WI and was located in Stoughton. They stated it had 16" blades in front and 15" in the back. The last price listed was $375.
This morning when I checked, it is now being been sold as parted out. For those looking for parts for their machine, you may want to contact the seller.
Having read the advice many of you offered, I'll be looking for something closer to a 10' model. DaveWisc, I may send you a PM.
Thanks again,
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Posted: 03 Apr 2018 at 12:24am |
Allis dave wrote:
Yeah, I was waiting for the people to jump in saying they pull a 12' with their WD45 |
I drug around an AC 212 tandem disc with a WD45 diesel for many years in heavy clay and hills. Loaded 16.9 x 28 rears, Du-Al loader, traction booster hitch and transport valve....2nd gear. Dad bought it new, sized by the AC dealer for our tractor.
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Posted: 03 Apr 2018 at 3:00pm |
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OK, I will say it. I pulled a 12' Krause disc with 18" blades with a WD45 diesel with duals with no problem. I had two 7' sections of Lindsey spike tooth harrow behind it. The duals made all the difference in the world in soft ground.
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