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This folks is why we don't use 2 in nylon straps |
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Bradleytrench ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 12 Mar 2013 Location: Missouri Points: 139 |
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CAL(KS) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Location: Chapman, KS Points: 3804 |
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YIKES!
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Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20
Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
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Dipstick In ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Remington, In. Points: 8602 |
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No way is that gonna buff out!
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You don't really have to be smart if you know who is!
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Dave in PA ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Mars/Wexford PA Points: 2628 |
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The straps, chains, or whatever are a concern, but what about the braking of the entire unit? Looks like he did a mark on the car in front as well? Did the trailer brakes work????
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CTuckerNWIL ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW Illinois Points: 22825 |
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Straps Can work if a guy knows how to use them. Wrapping the nylon strap around a piece of metal is NOT how you use them. Oh yea, there are way more junk straps out there than there are good ones too. You get what you pay for.
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Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
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B26240 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 21 Nov 2009 Location: mn Points: 3866 |
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I'm a chain guy also, The above photo is a good example of why we all need to do a good job securing our loads and that is we could easily get killed by our tractor when it joins us in the front seat. In other words we should look at it selfishly .
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HD6GTOM ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Nov 2009 Location: MADISON CO IA Points: 6627 |
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Heck he didn't need the trailer, hope he's got a good set of ramps to unload it.
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Cernunnos ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jul 2014 Location: Ridgeland, WI Points: 361 |
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That Ford has a good set of rear springs...doesn't even sag!
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1951 CA, 1952 CA with cultivator, 20 Series 8' disc harrow, 2 bottom pick-up plow, forage blower, 2-row rear mounted drill corn planter, Allcrop grain drill, No. 80T sickle mower, MN No. 130 barge box
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Steve in NJ ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11992 |
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Heck, and they said you can only get a Model G in the back of a pickup! Well, I beg to differ now! All kiddin' aside, big Tractors Chains n' binders all four corners. Garden Tractors can be strapped down. BUT, all four corners! I believe Jersey is 6 tie downs for heavy equip. now. I'll havta' check that, but I think that's what we have to do....
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39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife
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DougG ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 20 Sep 2009 Location: Mo Points: 8346 |
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See it all the time on I44, straps have there place, but not on tractors,, capital Dumass doing this job
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ac45dave ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 May 2015 Location: SE(IN) Points: 1346 |
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That is EXACTLY why i have ALWAYS used chains on any tractor i haul!!!!!As steve said for chains and four binders per tractor!!!!!It's not just your own safety but the safety of others on the road and others in the cab with you!!!!!!
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54 wd-45gas ; 56 wd-45d N/F w/fact p/s ; 63 d-17 sIII N/F gas ; 60 D14 N/F ; 67 d-17 sIV N/F gas ; 63D15 sII W/F; 39rc#667 ; 2021 massey 4710 fwa ; gravely 2 wheel tractors
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jaybmiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 24665 |
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Car in front is a write off, truck too. Tractor and trailer look like the only survivors. Sure hope no one was hurt. I zoomed up the picture, car ain't pretty.
Sad really, even ONE chain and binder on the back to the tractor might have prevented it. Jay |
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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
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DiyDave ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 54090 |
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I betcha his face was red, and his shorts wuz brown...
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AaronSEIA ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Mt Pleasant, IA Points: 2571 |
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I looked it up. FMCSA regs state minimum of 4 tie downs with a WLL of 5,000 lbs and the total WLL of the tie downs has to equal at least 50% of the load weight. Nothing on what I read about chains VS straps. Technically 4 2" straps would qualify on most of what collectors haul.
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Gary Burnett ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Virginia Points: 3083 |
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Guess he's getting ready to load the 2nd tractor on the trailer.
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AC720Man ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Oct 2016 Location: Shenandoah, Va Points: 5227 |
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Thank God for that topper or it would have been in the cab|
Chains and ratchet binders. My 720. Is the. Only thing that gets 2" ratchet straps. Rated at 5,000 lbs |
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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD
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CrestonM ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8455 |
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I'm a chain guy as well, except I still use the lever-type boomers. Some say they're unsafe, but I always wrap the chain around the boomer and wire it in place.
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joe ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Nov 2009 Location: SW Ontario Points: 157 |
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I'm going to disagree with you on this. Chains are more foolproof, but not much safer. Sharp edges don't matter to a chain, they matter a lot to a strap. If you strap the tractor down without putting the strap over any sharp edges, they will hold what they're rated to hold. One thing to consider too, whether using a chain or a strap, is that the straps on each end of the tractor should be rated for the weight of the tractor, because 2 of the chains/straps aren't doing anything when you rear end somebody. That said, If I had the option between using chains or straps, I'll take the chains. I have so many straps around, that when I do haul something, I over secure it anyways, so catastrophic failure isn't likely.
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 12168 |
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I'm a bit with Joe. Plenty of people using junk chains too, that have been stretched, spliced, welded, cotter pins about to fall out of where the hook attaches....A little more forgiving, yes, and yes the best choice, but not necessarily by a lot.
That topper helped maybe a little, but not a whole lot.
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DougS ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Location: Iowa Points: 2490 |
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The truck rear-ended the truck in front. That scene wasn't going to play out well, no matter how the tractor was tied down. The tie down chain or strap is only as good as the tie down point. Unless the tie point on the trailer is factory welded, I wonder how strong it would be if it had to hold an impact like that?
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Stan IL&TN ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Elvis Land Points: 6730 |
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What are you guys talking about? No one ever told me I needed to strap it down but I sure I can find some rope around here...... Hey that guys got no worries, it's the guy who stopped in front of him. He's at fault.
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1957 WD45 dad's first AC
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Dakota Dave ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: ND Points: 3971 |
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I dont see parts of straps in the picture either. if the straps fail the ends would still be attached, throwing one chain over would not have held any better than the one strap did. I use two chains or two straps on both ends. straps must be tight and attached to fixed points or chains on each end. looping a chain over the draw bar will ruin the chain just not as noticable as it ruins a strap. Ive tied thousands of tons of cargo on aircraft. using both straps and chains. either will hold the load if used properly.
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WD45Diesel57 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Jul 2010 Location: Varna, Ont. Can Points: 646 |
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around these parts if you rearend someone your at fault for not paying attention unless you can prove his brake lights were not functional!
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1-B's, 2-C, 2-CA's,2-WF, 1-WC,1-G, 3-WD's, 2-WD45, 1-RC, 1-D17 Diesel, 1-D14, 2-D15,1-D17 row crop,1-D19 gas and All Crop 40,60,66,72,90 and 100
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 12168 |
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Charlie175 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Shenandoah, VA Points: 6369 |
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Not sure how this picture determines that straps were at fault.
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Charlie
'48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
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Acdiesel ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Jun 2012 Location: Rochester Ohio Points: 2576 |
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was the brake set? (not sure if that can even be done on this tractor)
was it left in gear? having done these two things alone would have helped it not to roll forward (IMO) i use straps (so not to destroy the paint), set the brakes and leave the transmission in gear when i haul my restored tractors, and so far have never had any trouble. also if you look at the deck of the trailer in the picture you can see a green strap. dan
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D19 Diesel,D17 Diesel SER.3
2-D14, 2-D15 SER.II WF/NF D15 SER.2 DIESEL D12 SER.I, D10 Ser.II 2-720'S D21 Ser. II Gmc,caterpillar I'm a pharmacist (farm assist) with a PHD (post hole digger) |
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Acdiesel ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Jun 2012 Location: Rochester Ohio Points: 2576 |
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it also strange that the tailgate is down and not smashed into the bed of the truck.
dan
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D19 Diesel,D17 Diesel SER.3
2-D14, 2-D15 SER.II WF/NF D15 SER.2 DIESEL D12 SER.I, D10 Ser.II 2-720'S D21 Ser. II Gmc,caterpillar I'm a pharmacist (farm assist) with a PHD (post hole digger) |
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DanWi ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Location: wttn Points: 1924 |
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Depending on what happened in front of the truck they will go after the truck for inattentive driving or following to close, unless a dash cam or witnesses prove that he was cut off by the car.
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john(MI) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: SE MI Points: 9262 |
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At least that Ford has a good engine in it now!
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D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446
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Charlie175 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Shenandoah, VA Points: 6369 |
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OK, so we see 1 strap, so that means the load was secured that way?
Too many people here guessing what happened.
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Charlie
'48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
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