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This folks is why we don't use 2 in nylon straps

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    Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 3:12pm
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No way is that gonna buff out!
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The straps, chains, or whatever are a concern, but what about the braking of the entire unit?  Looks like he did a mark on the car in front as well?  Did the trailer brakes work????
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Straps Can work if a guy knows how to use them. Wrapping the nylon strap around a piece of metal is NOT how you use them. Oh yea, there are way more junk straps out there than there are good ones too. You get what you pay for.
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I'm a chain guy also, The above photo is a good example of why we all need to do a good job  securing our loads and that is we could easily get killed by our tractor when it joins us in the front seat. In other words we should look at it selfishly .
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Heck he didn't need the trailer, hope he's got a good set of ramps to unload it.
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That Ford has a good set of rear springs...doesn't even sag! Wink
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Heck, and they said you can only get a Model G in the back of a pickup! Well, I beg to differ now! All kiddin' aside, big Tractors Chains n' binders all four corners. Garden Tractors can be strapped down. BUT, all four corners! I believe Jersey is 6 tie downs for heavy equip. now. I'll havta' check that, but I think that's what we have to do....
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See it all the time on I44, straps have there place, but not on tractors,, capital Dumass doing this job
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That is EXACTLY why i have ALWAYS used chains on any tractor i haul!!!!!As steve said for chains and four binders per tractor!!!!!It's not just your own safety but the safety of others on the road and others in the cab with you!!!!!!
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Car in front is a write off, truck too. Tractor and trailer look like the only survivors. Sure hope no one was hurt. I zoomed up the picture, car ain't pretty.
Sad really, even ONE chain and binder on the back to the tractor might have prevented it.
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I betcha his face was red, and his shorts wuz brown...Wink
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I looked it up. FMCSA regs state minimum of 4 tie downs with a WLL of 5,000 lbs and the total WLL of the tie downs has to equal at least 50% of the load weight. Nothing on what I read about chains VS straps. Technically 4 2" straps would qualify on most of what collectors haul.
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Guess he's getting ready to load the 2nd tractor on the trailer.
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Thank God for that topper or it would have been in the cab|
Chains and ratchet binders. My 720. Is the. Only thing that gets 2" ratchet straps. Rated at 5,000 lbs
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I'm a chain guy as well, except I still use the lever-type boomers. Some say they're unsafe, but I always wrap the chain around the boomer and wire it in place. 
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I'm going to disagree with you on this. Chains are more foolproof, but not much safer. Sharp edges don't matter to a chain, they matter a lot to a strap. If you strap the tractor down without putting the strap over any sharp edges, they will hold what they're rated to hold. One thing to consider too, whether using a chain or a strap, is that the straps on each end of the tractor should be rated for the weight of the tractor, because 2 of the chains/straps aren't doing anything when you rear end somebody. That said, If I had the option between using chains or straps, I'll take the chains. I have so many straps around, that when I do haul something, I over secure it anyways, so catastrophic failure isn't likely.
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I'm a bit with Joe.  Plenty of people using junk chains too, that have been stretched, spliced, welded, cotter pins about to fall out of where the hook attaches....A little more forgiving, yes, and yes the best choice, but not necessarily by a lot.
 
That topper helped maybe a little, but not a whole lot.
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The truck rear-ended the truck in front. That scene wasn't going to play out well, no matter how the tractor was tied down. The tie down chain or strap is only as good as the tie down point. Unless the tie point on the trailer is factory welded, I wonder how strong it would be if it had to hold an impact like that?
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What are you guys talking about?  No one ever told me I needed to strap it down but I sure I can find some rope around here......  Hey that guys got no worries, it's the guy who stopped in front of him.  He's at fault.LOL
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I dont see parts of straps in the picture either. if the straps fail the ends would still be attached,  throwing one chain over would not have held any better than the one strap did. I use two chains or two straps on both ends. straps must be tight and attached to fixed points or chains on each end. looping a chain over the draw bar will ruin the chain just not as noticable as it ruins a strap. Ive tied thousands of tons of cargo on aircraft. using both straps and chains. either will hold the load if used properly.

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around these parts if you rearend someone your at fault for not paying attention unless you can prove his brake lights were not functional!
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Originally posted by WD45Diesel57 WD45Diesel57 wrote:

around these parts if you rearend someone your at fault for not paying attention unless you can prove his brake lights were not functional!
Yep!
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Not sure how this picture determines that straps were at fault. 
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was the brake set? (not sure if that can even be done on this tractor)
was it left in gear? 
having done these two things alone would have helped it not to roll forward (IMO)

i use straps (so not to destroy the paint), set the brakes and leave the transmission in gear when i haul my restored tractors, and so far have never had any trouble.

also if you look at the deck of the trailer in the picture you can see a green strap.


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it also strange that the tailgate is down and not smashed into the bed of the truck.

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Depending on what happened in front of the truck they will go after the truck for inattentive driving or following to close, unless a dash cam or witnesses prove that he was cut off by the car.
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At least that Ford has a good engine in it now!
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OK, so we see 1 strap, so that means the load was secured that way?
Too many people here guessing what happened.
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