This folks is why we don't use 2 in nylon straps
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Topic: This folks is why we don't use 2 in nylon straps
Posted By: Bradleytrench
Subject: This folks is why we don't use 2 in nylon straps
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 3:12pm
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Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 3:20pm
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YIKES! ------------- Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20 Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
Posted By: Dipstick In
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 3:28pm
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No way is that gonna buff out! ------------- You don't really have to be smart if you know who is! |
Posted By: Dave in PA
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 3:37pm
| The straps, chains, or whatever are a concern, but what about the braking of the entire unit? Looks like he did a mark on the car in front as well? Did the trailer brakes work???? |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 3:47pm
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Straps Can work if a guy knows how to use them. Wrapping the nylon strap around a piece of metal is NOT how you use them. Oh yea, there are way more junk straps out there than there are good ones too. You get what you pay for. I still chain my tractor. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: B26240
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 4:06pm
| I'm a chain guy also, The above photo is a good example of why we all need to do a good job securing our loads and that is we could easily get killed by our tractor when it joins us in the front seat. In other words we should look at it selfishly . |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 4:51pm
| Heck he didn't need the trailer, hope he's got a good set of ramps to unload it. |
Posted By: Cernunnos
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 5:13pm
That Ford has a good set of rear springs...doesn't even sag!  ------------- 1951 CA, 1952 CA with cultivator, 20 Series 8' disc harrow, 2 bottom pick-up plow, forage blower, 2-row rear mounted drill corn planter, Allcrop grain drill, No. 80T sickle mower, MN No. 130 barge box |
Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 5:39pm
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Heck, and they said you can only get a Model G in the back of a pickup! Well, I beg to differ now! All kiddin' aside, big Tractors Chains n' binders all four corners. Garden Tractors can be strapped down. BUT, all four corners! I believe Jersey is 6 tie downs for heavy equip. now. I'll havta' check that, but I think that's what we have to do.... Steve@B&B ------------- 39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 6:10pm
| See it all the time on I44, straps have there place, but not on tractors,, capital Dumass doing this job |
Posted By: ac45dave
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 6:11pm
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That is EXACTLY why i have ALWAYS used chains on any tractor i haul!!!!!As steve said for chains and four binders per tractor!!!!!It's not just your own safety but the safety of others on the road and others in the cab with you!!!!!! ------------- 54 wd-45gas ; 56 wd-45d N/F w/fact p/s ; 63 d-17 sIII N/F gas ; 60 D14 N/F ; 67 d-17 sIV N/F gas ; 63D15 sII W/F; 39rc#667 ; 2021 massey 4710 fwa ; gravely 2 wheel tractors |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 6:15pm
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Car in front is a write off, truck too. Tractor and trailer look like the only survivors. Sure hope no one was hurt. I zoomed up the picture, car ain't pretty. Sad really, even ONE chain and binder on the back to the tractor might have prevented it. Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 6:26pm
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I betcha his face was red, and his shorts wuz brown...
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Posted By: AaronSEIA
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 6:51pm
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I looked it up. FMCSA regs state minimum of 4 tie downs with a WLL of 5,000 lbs and the total WLL of the tie downs has to equal at least 50% of the load weight. Nothing on what I read about chains VS straps. Technically 4 2" straps would qualify on most of what collectors haul. AaronSEIA |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 7:31pm
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Guess he's getting ready to load the 2nd tractor on the trailer. |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 8:16pm
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Thank God for that topper or it would have been in the cab| Chains and ratchet binders. My 720. Is the. Only thing that gets 2" ratchet straps. Rated at 5,000 lbs ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 9:44pm
| I'm a chain guy as well, except I still use the lever-type boomers. Some say they're unsafe, but I always wrap the chain around the boomer and wire it in place. |
Posted By: joe
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 10:13pm
| I'm going to disagree with you on this. Chains are more foolproof, but not much safer. Sharp edges don't matter to a chain, they matter a lot to a strap. If you strap the tractor down without putting the strap over any sharp edges, they will hold what they're rated to hold. One thing to consider too, whether using a chain or a strap, is that the straps on each end of the tractor should be rated for the weight of the tractor, because 2 of the chains/straps aren't doing anything when you rear end somebody. That said, If I had the option between using chains or straps, I'll take the chains. I have so many straps around, that when I do haul something, I over secure it anyways, so catastrophic failure isn't likely. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2017 at 6:17am
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I'm a bit with Joe. Plenty of people using junk chains too, that have been stretched, spliced, welded, cotter pins about to fall out of where the hook attaches....A little more forgiving, yes, and yes the best choice, but not necessarily by a lot. That topper helped maybe a little, but not a whole lot.
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Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2017 at 7:05am
| The truck rear-ended the truck in front. That scene wasn't going to play out well, no matter how the tractor was tied down. The tie down chain or strap is only as good as the tie down point. Unless the tie point on the trailer is factory welded, I wonder how strong it would be if it had to hold an impact like that? |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2017 at 7:27am
What are you guys talking about? No one ever told me I needed to strap it down but I sure I can find some rope around here...... Hey that guys got no worries, it's the guy who stopped in front of him. He's at fault. ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2017 at 7:33am
| I dont see parts of straps in the picture either. if the straps fail the ends would still be attached, throwing one chain over would not have held any better than the one strap did. I use two chains or two straps on both ends. straps must be tight and attached to fixed points or chains on each end. looping a chain over the draw bar will ruin the chain just not as noticable as it ruins a strap. Ive tied thousands of tons of cargo on aircraft. using both straps and chains. either will hold the load if used properly. |
Posted By: WD45Diesel57
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2017 at 7:35am
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around these parts if you rearend someone your at fault for not paying attention unless you can prove his brake lights were not functional! ------------- 1-B's, 2-C, 2-CA's,2-WF, 1-WC,1-G, 3-WD's, 2-WD45, 1-RC, 1-D17 Diesel, 1-D14, 2-D15,1-D17 row crop,1-D19 gas and All Crop 40,60,66,72,90 and 100 |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2017 at 7:40am
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WD45Diesel57 wrote:Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2017 at 7:50am
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Not sure how this picture determines that straps were at fault. ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: Acdiesel
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2017 at 11:01am
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was the brake set? (not sure if that can even be done on this tractor) was it left in gear? having done these two things alone would have helped it not to roll forward (IMO) i use straps (so not to destroy the paint), set the brakes and leave the transmission in gear when i haul my restored tractors, and so far have never had any trouble. also if you look at the deck of the trailer in the picture you can see a green strap. dan ------------- D19 Diesel,D17 Diesel SER.3 2-D14, 2-D15 SER.II WF/NF D15 SER.2 DIESEL D12 SER.I, D10 Ser.II 2-720'S D21 Ser. II Gmc,caterpillar I'm a pharmacist (farm assist) with a PHD (post hole digger) |
Posted By: Acdiesel
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2017 at 11:05am
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it also strange that the tailgate is down and not smashed into the bed of the truck. dan ------------- D19 Diesel,D17 Diesel SER.3 2-D14, 2-D15 SER.II WF/NF D15 SER.2 DIESEL D12 SER.I, D10 Ser.II 2-720'S D21 Ser. II Gmc,caterpillar I'm a pharmacist (farm assist) with a PHD (post hole digger) |
Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2017 at 11:11am
| Depending on what happened in front of the truck they will go after the truck for inattentive driving or following to close, unless a dash cam or witnesses prove that he was cut off by the car. |
Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2017 at 11:20am
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At least that Ford has a good engine in it now! ------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2017 at 11:58am
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OK, so we see 1 strap, so that means the load was secured that way? Too many people here guessing what happened. ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: Alberta Phil
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2017 at 8:32pm
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This was just posted on the Smok Stak site. "" This occurred a year ago. Driver is a long time truck driver, tractor and engine collector. Belongs to a friend of mine. On I80 WB just west of Ottawa IL exit. He was headed to the 2016 Massey expo show in Geneseo IL. A state DOT truck was spraying weeds from the shoulder and came up on the bridge. Instead of raising the spray boom, it swerved into traffic. A container trailer swerved and locked up their brakes and missed the DOT truck. Following vehicles checked up and the crash behind happened. Tractor broke the chains following impact. No tickets were issued. Tractor had minor damage. Truck was totaled. Trailer still being used."" |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2017 at 10:04pm
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I've heard of a guy leaving an old tractor in gear when haul and it started from rocking enough to trip the magneto to fire. I never leave them in gear....unless I've disabled magneto. Lock brakes if you can and and make sure everything is very secure. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2017 at 11:54pm
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At our Yesteryear Farm Show late last month, a guy cranked his Cat 22 with it in gear, started and drove up the trailer hitch and into the back of his Ford Pickup. Heard the damage estimate was $4600. At least he got out of the way and no one was hurt, except the owner's pride... ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: Scott B
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 7:01am
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Definitely looks like a braking issue vs a chain vs strap issue. Saw a large boat do the exact same thing in a rear end collision. Boat smashed down the front metal yoke and busted the welds. Back straps snapped and entire rig was sitting in the back of the camper that was on an f250. Lots of things going to snap when that much mass comes to a sudden stop. ------------- D17 Series 1 Allis B- 1939 Allis B- 1945 |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 9:28am
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Is this just better known as a result of a ACCIDENT !!!!! ------------- He who dies with the most toys is, nonetheless ,still dead. If all else fails ,Read all that is PRINTED. |
Posted By: corbinstein
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2017 at 7:08am
| They should all Sue the State for the operator causing that. |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2017 at 7:19am
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One things for sure, he needed more than what he had. Chains that is. ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: Carl(NWWI)
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2017 at 10:59am
| Haul equipment of all kinds with nylon straps. Never had an issue. I'm sure there's more to the story. If straps weren't any good over the road truckers wouldn't be using them. Neither would all the crane operators that pick equipment for us. |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2017 at 12:05pm
Article said the chains broke. Everyone jumped on the anti strap bandwagon too quickly... ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2017 at 5:46pm
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Prolly coulda backed the tractor out, and haul the wrecked truck home, being pulled by the tractor...
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Posted By: Carl(NWWI)
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2017 at 9:56pm
| Ohh sure! Either way. I know his feeling. I got lazy one day about 2 months ago. Only used one strap, was going less then a mile down the road. Well, the park didn't hold. Forward off the side of the trailer it went. Turns out a 10k pound tractor is hard to get back on the trailer when it's halfway off...never again. 2 or more chains or straps for me. No matter what. |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2017 at 6:15am
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They say MORE Accident's happen close to home !!!!!!!! ------------- He who dies with the most toys is, nonetheless ,still dead. If all else fails ,Read all that is PRINTED. |
Posted By: Dipstick In
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2017 at 6:32am
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Fred, that's why the Pollock moved twenty miles down the road! ------------- You don't really have to be smart if you know who is! |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2017 at 6:51am
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Another good reason to tie down correctly.Company was working on the gas pipeline down where my other place is located out in a very rural area,company had to move a track loader less than a mile down the road so they ran it up on the low boy trailer and didn't put any tie downs on it.As soon as they pulled into the road a State Trooper pulled up behind the truck/trailer they said it cost them a little less than $5000 before it the trooper got thru. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2017 at 7:02am
Hahaha! Who, these guys?!
NEVER!!! |
Posted By: davh
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2017 at 7:28am
| No Texting while driving! |
Posted By: davh
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2017 at 7:34am
| No texting while driving!! |
Posted By: Ryan T
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2017 at 7:51am
| My sister drove bye this after it happened and took a picture of it for me. She said the car stopped very quickly in front of the truck. Ether way it's a sucky day for them. |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2017 at 8:55am
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Technically only certain grades of chain or chain with a certain tag are legal and only certain binders are legal. For me it's chains for heavy stuff straps on lighter stuff. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |