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Take a minute and make sure wires are not switched on a couple plugs.

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firing order should be 1-2-4-3, #1 is by rad,
'magical' 20 minute run could be overheating coil. There's lots of 'combinations' of coils, ballast resistors and batteries.
The simplest would be 12 volt battery and a 12 volt coil marked 'INTERNAL BALLAST'. This setup would require you to bypass the original ballast resistor. Two of my D-14s were originally 6 volt, so when I perverted to alternators and 12 volts I ADDED another ballast resistor to 'lose' the extra 6 volts the 12 volt battery supplies.
If the gas tank cap is kinda loose, then it's probably not a vacuum problem. Try running it ,under load in the field with the cap off.  Simple,easy test.

A-C made 2 or 3 models of SC-3PT adapters. 1 version is for implements that need power from the PTO ( say a rototiller) , the other doesn't ( like cultivators). You've got 3 options to buy 1) find original stuff online, 2) buy aftermarket versions , 3 ) make your own. Two of mine are A_C but bodged, not complete, 3rd is homemade. I LEAVE the toplink ON the adapted implement so I don't have to fight and adjust  it everytime. Now what you will need is the top link mounting bracket  for the tractor. It bolt under the seat, just longer bolts. LOTS of homemade versions , mine is a nice copy of the OEM 3 hole version.
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Sounds like you might have an I&T manual. Doubt you will find free, on line Operator's or Service manuals. Best to go to AGCOpubs and get the OEM manuals. They are available for purchase printed, custom media (DVD or USB), or downloads. AGCO's prices aren't bad on manuals. Be sure you get the series and serial number manual that matches your tractor. The parts books are free to use at AGCOpartsbooks.com, sign in, in the guest user box.
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Condenser, very likley
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C Reid,
 Welcome to our world! Any tractor of this vintage can have similar issues. Take a IH series M tractor. Try to hook today's 3 point implements to it. The only old tractors that have potential to match today's implements is the Ford or Ferguson systems. Some of the CASE systems were similar in the Eagle hitch. Because that FORD type system is what the industry settled on. Is it the best? NO! 
Good luck with your tractor don't give up! Keep working on it. 
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Operator's manuals can be found cheap on e-bay - the only things I buy on that site. 

Refurbished can mean different things to different people.  It's very common for people to do a quick 30 minute paint job and call it refurbished.  As mentioned above, a cheap paint job can cover a lot of mechanical issues.  Sounds like you got sucked in - several people do.  I have learned to look under the paint and focus on the major mechanical aspects - Engine, transmission and rear end.  The issues you are dealing with are not catastrophic failures by any means.  You must also keep in mind that these tractors are over 50 years old and you probably do not know its maintenance history.  Once you have things ironed out, It should be a good and reliable machine for you.

Whenever I get a new tractor, I do a thorough maintenance so I know I will not have any problems when I put it to work.  Clean fuel tank, sediment bowl, carb, rad flush, thermostat, battery cable and wiring inspection, coil, distributor cap, wires, plugs, rotor, electronic ignition conversion, new filters and all new fluids.  Some of these may not be necessary, but I know what I have done and they should be good. 

This forum does have a great deal of knowledge and experience here, but you also have to be able provide as much detail with your issues and what you have done to try and solve them.
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Totally understand the frustration but a little future advice. We all may not know your tractor. But most all of us take to heart how you talk about it, like it were one of our children lol.
For that size tractor I would take snap coupler any day, the equipment is still laying around out there if you keep your eye out. What type of stuff are you wanting to do. If you have the draw bar for it then you can get a tow behind bush hog, if you want to garden the snap coupler plow works great once set up.
Like the others said, that era most all tractors had there own goofy hitch.
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Originally posted by C-Reid-Mac C-Reid-Mac wrote:

Thank you guys. My frustration showed in that post. I agree, would have been nice to have a lot of money and buy a new one. The shop manual shows how to take apart pieces and put them together (and I'm learning a lot about the parts reading about the ones that I could do something about), but does not have trouble shooting that would tell me what to check for if something is happening. I made that a long post so y'all would know the history and definitely prefer to take one thing at a time. I went out and started tractor this afternoon, started right up and ran with that slight "missing" sound. I watched fan belt saw liquid moving in top of radiator, no leakage around water pump. Once had warmed into green I got on and drove out of barn lot into pasture pulling 6 foot mower. Turned on pto and started mowing gentle incline and around apple tree. Was beginning to think I might get 20 minutes or so but, just as though processed, Big Al "coughed" once and stopped. I let it sit, had to choke it to start, died twice then made it back (I had gone about 200 feet from barn) to parking spot. I drained and cleaned fuel tank once (blowing it out best I could). I'm going to do that again Saturday and see if the muriatic acid treatment will help. I put a new sediment bowl (it has a small amount of very fine sediment in bottom after being cleaned of similar) when I cleaned it last weekend. The new one has a screen filter but not the filter that goes into the tank. I'm going to see if parts store has one of those and put that on. What would be good to do next?  (Thanks again for all your replies. I hope to learn and be able to keep this tractor working for me.) 



Was beginning to think I might get 20 minutes or so but, just as though processed, Big Al "coughed" once and stopped. I let it sit, had to choke it to start, died twice then made it back (I had gone about 200 feet from barn) to parking spot.

^^^ This right here makes me think it’s starving especially if you had to choke it to get it fired back up.Seems you’ve checked from the tank to the carb.Cleaned tank,sediment bowl,cleaned the fuel line. Have you pulled,unscrewed the brass elbow from the carb like mentioned before and checked the screen on the elbow? If the tank,bowl assembly,fuel line are all clean and free flowing you may have carb issues which is a simple fix with a good kit ,tear down and cleaning.
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I've bought and used a lot of older tractors of about every brand and its a rare thing
to buy a 40 to 70 year old tractor for less than 10% of what a comparable new tractor would sell for and put it straight in the field and it needed nothing.You have to be realistic
go thru the tractor check out what it needs and expect to spend some time and money on
it because 95% of the time that is what is going to be the case.On the hitch part if you do not want to deal with the Snap Coupler and want a 3pt then you'd probably be better off to sell your tractor and buy one with a 3pt,of course I assume it was apparent that it wasn't a 3pt tractor when you bought it.
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Originally posted by Gary Burnett Gary Burnett wrote:

.....On the hitch part if you do not want to deal with the Snap Coupler and want a 3pt then you'd probably be better off to sell your tractor and buy one with a 3pt,of course I assume it was apparent that it wasn't a 3pt tractor when you bought it.
Yes, Gary. I was actually excited about it having the SC. Just didn't know the equipment would be so hard to find. I just need a blade for light grading, I will make my own pasture harrow using design we used on horse training track. And, if there is a bush hog made for SC I'd change from the pull behind I have now. Next on list is front loader but not unless I get him running better. Thanks for your input.
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Originally posted by MDWilliams338 MDWilliams338 wrote:



^^^ This right here makes me think it’s starving especially if you had to choke it to get it fired back up.Seems you’ve checked from the tank to the carb.Cleaned tank,sediment bowl,cleaned the fuel line. Have you pulled,unscrewed the brass elbow from the carb like mentioned before and checked the screen on the elbow? If the tank,bowl assembly,fuel line are all clean and free flowing you may have carb issues which is a simple fix with a good kit ,tear down and cleaning.
No MD. I'm going to pull the elbow tomorrow and recheck fuel delivery to carb. Thanks for your input.
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Welcome to the group!

First off... it kinda sounds like there's a whole lotta useful history that you don't have, and that makes things difficult to understand, I'll toss in a few things that others have already made some reference to:

Positive ground IS A STANDARD... as is six-volt.  Negative ground is 'modern' standard, as is twelve-volt.

The Ford you're familiar with has a Ferguson-System three-point hitch.  Harry Ferguson invented it... and Ford PARTNERED with Harry, to get EXCLUSIVE use of his PATENT.  NOBODY ELSE used a three-point hitch from the time that patented system came out, until the patent expired around 1961.   Every OTHER manufacturer had their own implement coupling and lifting system, and had their own name to go with it, and some may have gotten dangerously close... NONE of them infringed on Harry's patent.

AC's 'snap coupler' system was a standard for Allis tractors prior to 1962ish.  Case had the 'EAGLE HITCH'... IH had a system, Deere had a system, MM/Oliver/White/Cockshutt... everyone had their own.  The battleground wasn't a farmer's soil- it was the courtroom across the street from the US Patent Office.  After the Fergie patent 'matured', the 'three point' as we know it today, became a 'national standard' of sorts, albeit with more improvement, as in size category.  Just so happens my My '52 WD and '57 D17 have Category II 3-point hitches, but that's because I have a bandsaw, lathe, mill, and welder in my shop, and a Farm & Fleet on the west side of town.  They both work great with any 3-point implements I wanna hook on.  There's guys that build 3-point kits to fit your tractor, and you'll find that they yield exactly what you're looking for.

Older tractors with hydraulics had a 'different' standard as-well.  Your hydraulic system is low-volume (3gpm or so) and high pressure (excess of 3000psi).  'Modern' hydraulic systems are higher volume (5+ gpm) and lower pressure (1800-2500psi or so).

It was 'standard' back then to have hydraulics that operated DOWNSTREAM of the engine clutch... meaning... not 'live'.  This was 'standard' because a fully-live hydraulic pump can exert tremendous drag on an engine that's trying to crank to life on a cold day.  Modern tractors just accommodate that with brute force... (did I mention 12v...)

Your tractor has a distributor with contact points.  That can either be replaced with a new set of contact points, condenser, cap, wires, and plugs...   or replace the contact points and condenser with an electronic module (a Pertronix Ignitor, for example) and by doing so, eliminate the problems we experience with all the lousy imported ignition components (condensers and breaker points) that we've had for the last decade-or-so.  

The distributor cap gets dirty, and sends spark energy astray.  Spark plugs get dirty and carbon foul.  Distributor shaft wears and causes the breaker contact action to be incredibly unstable.  In many cases, there's sufficient spark energy to run nicely at idle, but when you apply a load, dynamic compression pressure rises far enough so that the ignition simply can't fire, hence, miss and bog.

Lean fuel mixtures will ignite with minimal spark energy under low dynamic pressure, but it will NOT fire once chamber pressures rise.  Carbeurator fuel float level is critical to maintain proper mixture, there's a fair chance your carb float and needle valve aren't doing so well.

There's typically a fine-mesh catch screen located in the carbeurator's fuel inlet fitting... if you have sedimentary gap in there, particularly steel sediment in ethanol... it's turning into goo and impeding flow.  Open up the drain petcock on the bottom of the fuel bowl.  it should make a big, clean puddle of gas on the ground... if it doesn't go through the fuel feed system from fuel tank onward.   if the tank is cruddy, drain it good, and clean the tank in any number of ways... my preferred method is a fist full of misc. nuts, bolts,  and washers in my parts tumbler... after they're done rolling around, the inside of the tank is usually scoured clean of loose debris... I rinse it out with a little gasoline, and clean from the top of the fuel petcock pickup tube, all the way to the carb jets.

Service manuals back then were typed by hand, then typeset with screen images, then printed on an offset press.  Press time and paper were expensive.  For the sake of realistic economics and practicality, the manual authors expected that an individual who held the manual had already sufficient life-experience with the basic recipie for internal combustion to be able to troubleshoot things like fuel, air, compression, timing, ignition... (rinse and repeat)... so they did NOT waste time or paper to rewrite what they considered 'common knowledge'.  If that's out of your current skillset, then you've come to the right place... these guys will walk you through the process, just as long as you're reasonable  and seem self-applied.

I assure you that if you were to put it alongside a modern tractor of same advertised size, that the Allis will prove itself well worthy of the tasks-at-hand, and it will last much, much longer, and cost much much less to maintain.  it DOES mean that you'll have to learn how to be the maintainer and troubleshooter.

Oh, and I know you've named it "Big Al"... but one thing you should know, is that the moniker "Big Al" refers to the Allis-Chalmers 25000-series diesel engine.  They're also referred to as the 'Purple People Eater'.  Do a Youtube search for it, and you'll see 'em in action.


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[/QUOTE]Yes, Gary. I was actually excited about it having the SC. Just didn't know the equipment would be so hard to find. I just need a blade for light grading, I will make my own pasture harrow using design we used on horse training track. And, if there is a bush hog made for SC I'd change from the pull behind I have now. Next on list is front loader but not unless I get him running better. Thanks for your input. [/QUOTE]

As far as the bush hog goes I'd much rather use a pull type than any mounted one,to me they work better and hooking and unhooking is a lot easier.So you might want to
use the pull type for while, once you get used to it you may like it.
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Well C-Reid, if you have speant time on that Ford and horses, this should be a snap!
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I’ve got my grandpa’s D17 similar vintage with a zillion hours on it it runs fine just needed some tic. Our farm helper is a awesome small engine guy and him and I got her purring like a champ.   The positive ground is quirk but positive is still positive and negative still negative. Snap coupler was a poor design but so was IH’s hitch. If all your iron was snap coupler I bet it was ok. I got 9 other 3 point tractors so it’s not a issue. Conversions to 3 point are out there if it’s an issue get one.

Every manufacturer had quirks and issues Allis was no different

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Originally posted by DiyDave DiyDave wrote:

You can do a preliminary check of the coil, by sticking your hand on it, when the tractor stalls.  If it feels real hot, you have what is known as a clue...Wink
Alrighty then!  LOL  I love hot clues!!  
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Clap Thank you Dave. Exactly the "honey" I was hoping to find when I poked this hornet's nest. I had read enough on other similar situation to know that this is a treasure trove of maintenance information. I'm going to start over and redo fuel delivery troubleshooting using everything suggested followed by taking a look at coil, plugs and distributor. I'll keep asking questions and keep learning. Thank you again. 
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Originally posted by DiyDave DiyDave wrote:

Originally posted by C-Reid-Mac C-Reid-Mac wrote:

Originally posted by Scott B Scott B wrote:


Might have a coil issue on the "run for 20-25 minutes and stops".  Especially if the 'tractor guy' converted to 12 volt and didn't change the coil....
Sounds more like a 'previous owner' issue vs. an Allis issue.
Shop manual doesn't have coil listed in table of contents, and a man at the parts house suggested "coil" as well. I"m going to wait on the coil until I make sure I have the fuel delivery proper. Thanks for the suggestion. 


You can do a preliminary check of the coil, by sticking your hand on it, when the tractor stalls.  If it feels real hot, you have what is known as a clue...Wink

My first tractor did the exact thing of running 15-20 minutes and stopping. Same story .... I’m not a mechanic, was frustrated but after a bit of research, installed a new coil and she runs like a top!
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About a year ago, I found a "derelict" D15 Series II hiding out in the barn across the road from my house. Owner said if I could get it running, I could have it. I got it running......but found a host of other issues that were all eventually resolved. Your problems with running does sound like a fuel delivery or ignition issues. Frustrating, but likely as not will be an easy fix once you trace it down.

On the SC hitch.......I had major issues with the factory 3 point system and eventually converted back to a snap coupler.......sorta. I installed this 3 point conversion kit onto it and it, which in my mind is the best of both worlds. Uses standard Cat I 3 point hitch implements or drawbar without need to remove anything, and the SC hitch setup is stronger than the factory 3 point.




This 3 point conversion kit is made by Cross Manufacturing and is available from several sources......


Not that I've got it running and have put it into use, it is a handy helper around here. Currently being used to rake and tedder hay.
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If you have that kind of fuel issues & are going to the trouble to clean tank, then do yourself s favor & buy some Red-kote tank sealer. Take your time do exactly as the directions on the can say. When you think the sealer is dry, wait 24 more hrs leave in a dry well ventilated area. I've done this with 4 of my 7 AC's & one old pick-up. no more fuel issues, don't be discouraged w/ your ac .
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ou mentioned putting a 3 point on your D15, which I have done to mine. I bought the adapter from Tonys Tractors. Had to drill 1 hole in drawbar to mount the adapter but otherwise was very easy to do.  Top link bracket mounts under seat, and the Cross style lower links are mounted to the drawbar.  Works quite well.  Only limitation is there is no position control with the modified snap coupler.





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By the way...

For those that work on lots of 4 cylinder engines, you may think that the Allis firing order is 'not standard'...  Many others frequently used 1-4-3-2.

When an Allis 4 cylinder (B, C, CA, WC, WD, WD45, D17) engine is running, and you have relatively close compression and valves set within reasonable range, and there's no vacuum or exhaust manifold leaks, the engine will run so even on all four cylinders, that you will NOT be able to tell which cylinder is firing.

On a 1432 firing order, that's not usually the case.  Here's why:

The intake and exhaust manifolds on four cylinder inline engines consist of one central point, which happens to be physically closer to the center two ports, than the outer two ports.  This means intake and exhaust flow to the two outer cylinders makes a longer trip, than the two closer... so the port and runner distance for the outer two cylinders has different volume, and different velocity.    Allis's design engineers understood this.  They also understood that when you fired two cylinders adjacent to eachother, that the intake and exhaust pressure pulses from one cylinder, affects the adjacent cylinder.

They also realized that when you 'share' a port (as virtually every other manufacturer did), you wind up with 'funky' airflow.

So they designed the ports, runners, and FIRING ORDER to yield really close (not perfect, but really darned close) balance between all cylinders.

Next time you're listening to an engine, listen for the weak and strong exhaust pulses, and watch the crankshaft turn.  If you watch the crankshaft sheave with your peripheral vision, you'll probably be able to 'see' the crankshaft angle 'match up' with the rythm generated by a weaker power pulse.

As for other characteristics to note... and the other guys will chime in if I'm wrong...
I believe the 'small block' B/C/CA/D10/12/14/15) fours might be susceptible to the 'big block' (WC/WD/45/D17) manifold leak and erosion issue, so look out for exhaust and intake leaks always.  Exhaust manifolds, because of basic thermal expansion, expand and contract more than the  liquid-cooled head.  Allis's casting engineers did an awesome job coming up with ways to allow for that, and maintain a seal, but seals don't last forever.  After these machines have spent five decades in the field, the head bolts start to corrode and stretch faster, and a little exhaust leaks out, typically at the farthest ends ('accumulated deflection', because it's expanding in an arc).  On a dark night, one can 'see' exhaust manifold leaks as little wisps of fire sneaking out 'tween the manifold flange and head.  This greatly affects how well a cylinder breathes, and furthermore, erodes the cast iron where that blue flame licks away the metal.  When this happens, it's necessary to either resurface or replace the manifold and put in new gaskets.  When I acquired my D17, it had been sitting for half a decade, parked due to lack of power after it'd been running a while.  After a carb/tank cleanout, I experienced power drop after putting a load on it for a few minutes.  Rebuilding distributor and going electronic ignition helped (dizzy shaft was loose in the bushing, as they do), but making a climb up the gravel road hillside to my south one night, I saw 'afterburner' flares out the #1 towards the cooling fan, and knew what was up.  After fixing that, it has run flawlessly.

BTW... you CAN convert your tractor to 12v negative ground if you so desire.  All of mine are, and I've changed mine all to alternator, rather than generator. 

The polarity sensitive issues include the battery connections, ammeter connections, ignition coil connections, and generator and regulator

Battery connections obviously need to be swapped. 

Ammeter leads, also need to be swapped (if not, charge indicates discharge, and discharge indicates charge).  If you ever wonder if someone has hooked up a battery wrong, leave ignition off, turn on the lights.  If the ammeter needle shows charge, it's backwards!

Ignition coil.  Ignition coils will 'work' when wired in either direction, but with the ignition coil's polarity being backwards, you'll get excessive pitting on the contact points, and rapid plug erosion.  Some ignition coils (typically less expensive or 'high-performance' coils) are wound such that they'll internally 'leak' to case in operation, and the coil will erode, overheat and fail.  OEM Delco coils that these tractors were built with, were built very well... as were the breaker points and condensers.  Modern 'common' replacements are all sourced through southeast Asia, and for lack of a stronger, but socially overwhelming term, they downright suck.  Don't be surprised if a tuneup kit, brand new out of box, has a flaccid point spring and totally unuseable condenser.

Generator and regulator will they will change polarity easily, but they need to be worked a bit in order to 'unlearn' positive ground and 'learn' negative ground.  In more technical terms, the polepieces of the generator and regulator develop residual magnetism accordant to the polarity with which they were previously tasked.  Changing polarity means the polepieces need to be degaussed (cleared of that magnetism) and slightly magnetized in the new polarity.  Doesn't take fancy machinery to do it, as they will do it by 'brute force' as long as you start the machine up and make the electrical system do some hard work for a while.  Or you can disconnect the regulator wires, tape them, fit an alternator to it, and be happy.  There's a myriad of options, everyone has favorites, and every alternator (ooh... brace yourself for a bad pun) has it's PLUSSES AND MINUSES!  LOL

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Switching to 12v:
Replace Ignition coil and Light bulbs (go LED!) with LED.

If you stick with generator and regulator, you'll need to either replace regulator with a 12v unit, or crank up the output voltage.  Your generator's windings will likely GO to 12v, but the generator will not develop a substantial charge unless the engine is really spinning.  An alternator is an easier, faster, more reliable, and more economical choice for 12v conversion... besides, when a guy converts his 6v+ tractor to 12v-, he's gonna USE it, not take it to a show to be scrutinized by the 'correct police'.

Nothing else matters- starter and solenoid is fine as-is.



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I certainly do hope that you can get all of the issues resolved. My D 15 is one of my most reliable allis tractors, and I absolutely love it. I did put a 3 point hitch onto my 15, but I have several other tractors with snap couplers to run the snap coupler implements that I have. I assure you that most of these problems are not flaws in allis design. Could be as simple as someone in the past filled it with ethanol and left it sit for a year. Darrel
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One time my one-seventy had this problem. Start it up in the barn, open the door, drive it out and get about 150 feet and it would die on me and not restart. I removed the carb bowl drain and maybe 3 drops of gas came out and that was it. Took trusty screwdriver by the shaft and smacked the side of the bowl with the plastic handle. Fuel then flowed nice and steady. Used tractor as normal rest of day. Next time I used the tractor it was a repeat of first time. Seems the float was sticking closed after it sat. After the fuel in the bowl was used it would starve and die. After you dislodged the float with a good smack the vibration of the engine would keep it from sticking the rest of the day. Removed carb and gave it a good cleaning and problem was solved. You would be wise to consider this as one of your possible issues but there could be more than one and this is when it gets hard as you will sometimes chase your tail.
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Thanks, Modirt. Especially for the pictures. 
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Originally posted by DaveKamp DaveKamp wrote:

By the way...
.............Ignition coil.  Ignition coils will 'work' when wired in either direction, but with the ignition coil's polarity being backwards, you'll get excessive pitting on the contact points, and rapid plug erosion.  Some ignition coils (typically less expensive or 'high-performance' coils) are wound such that they'll internally 'leak' to case in operation, and the coil will erode, overheat and fail.  OEM Delco coils that these tractors were built with, were built very well... as were the breaker points and condensers.  Modern 'common' replacements are all sourced through southeast Asia, and for lack of a stronger, but socially overwhelming term, they downright suck.  Don't be surprised if a tuneup kit, brand new out of box, has a flaccid point spring and totally unuseable condenser.

..........here's a myriad of options, everyone has favorites, and every alternator (ooh... brace yourself for a bad pun) has it's PLUSSES AND MINUSES!  LOL

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Originally posted by darrel in ND darrel in ND wrote:

I certainly do hope that you can get all of the issues resolved. My D 15 is one of my most reliable allis tractors, and I absolutely love it. I did put a 3 point hitch onto my 15, but I have several other tractors with snap couplers to run the snap coupler implements that I have. I assure you that most of these problems are not flaws in allis design. Could be as simple as someone in the past filled it with ethanol and left it sit for a year. Darrel
That's main reason I want to get this resolved. I love this tractor -- when it did run without hiccup it was smooth and consistent. See below results of todays activity. Thanks for the reassurance. 
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Originally posted by Stan IL&TN Stan IL&TN wrote:

One time ...........  Removed carb and gave it a good cleaning and problem was solved. You would be wise to consider this as one of your possible issues but there could be more than one and this is when it gets hard as you will sometimes chase your tail.
That's where I'm headed next (see below) Thank you for explaining in terms I understand (whacking with the plastic handle of a screwdriver is in my skill set!) LOL
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Saturday - June 1. Started with inspection of the "elbow piece" going into carburetor. Took fuel line (it is steel btw) off from carb and removed elbow piece. Did not see any small screen but did see a lot of "gung" around the opening. I finally figured out something I could do with a box of 100 purple shanked cotton swabs and inserted one that came out looking like it had major ear wax on it. Two more followed and this was result: uploads/19809/Q_Tips_edit.jpg  I reconnected fuel line, opened valve to sediment bowl, opened drain on bottom of carb, gas immediately began flowing through at a steady stream. I was counting 30 seconds and as I got to 20 the stream became intermittent and was just a drip by 25.  So, I shut down for today, hooked little Bronco (lawn tractor) to wagon and made three trips (instead of one with Big Al) loading bags of grass and other debris to take to the burn pile. Next step will be to take off and thoroughly clean carburetor.  Might have to wait until Thursday as I am presenting a Horse Behavior & Handling Clinic in the mornings Monday-Wednesday.  That will also give me time to get a service manual (and owners manual) in hand.  I'll need step by step instructions. Smile Thank Y'all, Everyone, for the suggestions, I will continue moving forward until I get this tractor moving forward with me!!  
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