did agco or allis ever

Chevy II's, Jeep's and Marine I/O drives; nothing Ag related

   is it 151or 153??????????  153 was used in forklifts

The 153 is 2/3 of the Buda design 230 engine

The Chevy 153ci four cylinder appeared in Chevy II's, forklifts, and MerCruiser 120hp inboard/outboard drive systems.  It's a overhead valve pushrod engine with 3.875" bore, 3.25" stroke.

This engine was bored to 4', and stroked to 3.6" to make the 181ci.  MerCruiser identified this one as the 140hp drive system.

Both the 153 and 181ci fours were in the same family as the 250/292 Chevy inline sixes.

The 153 and 181ci four cylinders are in no way related to the 151ci (2.5L) "Iron Duke" four.  Totally different animal... not related to the inline sixes at all.

None of the Chevies of these families are related to anything BUDA.

If it were my project, I certainly wouldn't use the 151ci Iron Duke... they're nowhere near the industrial-grade durability of the 153/181.

The "Vortec" moniker refers to seemingly overapplied to 'most' GM engines after 1988... for a very short time, they 'marketed' it to the industrials, but nobody really 'touted' that name. I wouldn't be surprised if someone took a newer engine with that 'name' and slid it in place where a 153 or 181 used to reside... basically the same dude, in a new suit.

There were lots of BUDA 4 cylinder engines used in AC material handlers... from the outside, they were very close in appearance to the A/B/CA block, however, there were some differences that made the block not easily adaptable to AC tractors.  Same engine found it's way into Palmer generating units, as did a larger version in similar class of a WD engine.

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the Allis forklift division used GM 153ci four cylinder power- aside from the early '70's automotive market, the 153/181 was used as either marine, or industrial power.  Generator manufacturers like Generac, Northern Lights, Onan, and Katolight used the fours in light plants intended for gasoline or gaseous fuels... basically wherever compression ignition wasn't desired... but the industrial blocks were considered 'too heavy' for automotive, and too small a displacement for pickup trucks, and not economically suited to emission controls. 

When GM discontinued the 153/181 line, MerCruiser filled that 'gap' by developing their own 3L four, but in an aluminum block with crossflow head, and unfortunately, integral flying-magnet shunt-regulated alternator... the bane of many an early 3.0L, especially if the water pump became plugged and the manifold riser (where the regulator's heat sink was bolted) got really hot... fortunately, MCM turned out a 'conversion kit' to replace it with a regular alternator.

What're 'ya thinkin' about doing, ML? fitting a 181 into your puller?

DaveKamp wrote: The "Vortec" moniker refers to seemingly overapplied to 'most' GM engines after 1988... for a very short time, they 'marketed' it to the industrials, but nobody really 'touted' that name. I wouldn't be surprised if someone took a newer engine with that 'name' and slid it in place where a 153 or 181 used to reside... basically the same dude, in a new suit. There were lots of BUDA 4 cylinder engines used in AC material handlers... from the outside, they were very close in appearance to the A/B/CA block, however, there were some differences that made the block not easily adaptable to AC tractors.  Same engine found it's way into Palmer generating units, as did a larger version in similar class of a WD engine. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the Allis forklift division used GM 153ci four cylinder power- aside from the early '70's automotive market, the 153/181 was used as either marine, or industrial power.  Generator manufacturers like Generac, Northern Lights, Onan, and Katolight used the fours in light plants intended for gasoline or gaseous fuels... basically wherever compression ignition wasn't desired... but the industrial blocks were considered 'too heavy' for automotive, and too small a displacement for pickup trucks, and not economically suited to emission controls.  When GM discontinued the 153/181 line, MerCruiser filled that 'gap' by developing their own 3L four, but in an aluminum block with crossflow head, and unfortunately, integral flying-magnet shunt-regulated alternator... the bane of many an early 3.0L, especially if the water pump became plugged and the manifold riser (where the regulator's heat sink was bolted) got really hot... fortunately, MCM turned out a 'conversion kit' to replace it with a regular alternator. What're 'ya thinkin' about doing, ML? fitting a 181 into your puller?

I am thinking . I can put a chrysler hemi head with a 5 inch bore spacing on the allis 226 and stay with allis . go a cheaper move to ford and use the mercruiser same brand . Or find a engine like the iron duke that a small block chevy head will fit pretty easy . as long as i can say it was a agriculture used engine in some line as the brand of tractor. I want a kinsler alchohol  injected cross flow so bad it makes my teeth ache. I just bought a 4000 square foot building so pocket is a little light for  now. 

Edited by mlpankey - 24 Aug 2011 at 2:49pm