did agco or allis ever
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Topic: did agco or allis ever
Posted By: mlpankey
Subject: did agco or allis ever
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 2:21pm
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use the iron duke 151 cubic inch four cylinder in any equipment like they did the 292 in the combines. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
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Posted By: JoeO(CMO)
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 2:28pm
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Chevy II's, Jeep's and Marine I/O drives; nothing Ag related ------------- |
Posted By: wfmurray
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 5:15pm
| HAd a pontiac sunbird with one in it .For got model. Oldest son is nine years older than second. Oldest drove it to high school and four years to college and then it set up a while then younger one drove it to high school and college . 168000 still didn,t use oil .That thing was tough as nails .They had a 4 in bor and 3 in stroke. If chev had used it more a lot of small cars would never been shipped across the pond. |
Posted By: norm[ind]
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 6:05pm
| is it 151or 153?????????? 153 was used in forklifts |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 6:12pm
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gm 151 iron duke tech 4 is the one i was interested in . how many hp is the allis 153 and will it fit into any tractors. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 6:20pm
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The 153 is 2/3 of the Buda design 230 engine ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: DanD
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 9:02pm
| I had a 1988 Buick Skylark with the Iron Duke in it. It had the balance shaft but still had the gear driven camshaft, just like a tractor. They later changed to a chain driven camshaft. Never touched the engine in the 17 years I drove it except to change spark plugs, the valve cover gasket and the fuel injector (started to be flooded every time you went to start it from the old injecotr leaking). Anyway the engine was just shy of 200,000 miles and still running great when the body rusted out so badly that the shock absorber on the rear drivers side was attached to nothing. Automotive writers ridiculed the engine as low tech, etc., but it started and ran great and would get you about 35 mpg on the highway. |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 10:07pm
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The Chevy 153ci four cylinder appeared in Chevy II's, forklifts, and MerCruiser 120hp inboard/outboard drive systems. It's a overhead valve pushrod engine with 3.875" bore, 3.25" stroke. This engine was bored to 4', and stroked to 3.6" to make the 181ci. MerCruiser identified this one as the 140hp drive system. Both the 153 and 181ci fours were in the same family as the 250/292 Chevy inline sixes. The 153 and 181ci four cylinders are in no way related to the 151ci (2.5L) "Iron Duke" four. Totally different animal... not related to the inline sixes at all. None of the Chevies of these families are related to anything BUDA. If it were my project, I certainly wouldn't use the 151ci Iron Duke... they're nowhere near the industrial-grade durability of the 153/181. |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 6:03pm
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So the vortec 3000 came in a allis forklift . What about its little brother with the cross flow head . vortec 2400? ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 11:07pm
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The "Vortec" moniker refers to seemingly overapplied to 'most' GM engines after 1988... for a very short time, they 'marketed' it to the industrials, but nobody really 'touted' that name. I wouldn't be surprised if someone took a newer engine with that 'name' and slid it in place where a 153 or 181 used to reside... basically the same dude, in a new suit. There were lots of BUDA 4 cylinder engines used in AC material handlers... from the outside, they were very close in appearance to the A/B/CA block, however, there were some differences that made the block not easily adaptable to AC tractors. Same engine found it's way into Palmer generating units, as did a larger version in similar class of a WD engine. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the Allis forklift division used GM 153ci four cylinder power- aside from the early '70's automotive market, the 153/181 was used as either marine, or industrial power. Generator manufacturers like Generac, Northern Lights, Onan, and Katolight used the fours in light plants intended for gasoline or gaseous fuels... basically wherever compression ignition wasn't desired... but the industrial blocks were considered 'too heavy' for automotive, and too small a displacement for pickup trucks, and not economically suited to emission controls. When GM discontinued the 153/181 line, MerCruiser filled that 'gap' by developing their own 3L four, but in an aluminum block with crossflow head, and unfortunately, integral flying-magnet shunt-regulated alternator... the bane of many an early 3.0L, especially if the water pump became plugged and the manifold riser (where the regulator's heat sink was bolted) got really hot... fortunately, MCM turned out a 'conversion kit' to replace it with a regular alternator. What're 'ya thinkin' about doing, ML? fitting a 181 into your puller? |
Posted By: WD45
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2011 at 7:56pm
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Back in 1969 dad bought a new MF swather that had the 4 cylinder Chev II engine. This engine had lots of power to run the swather with a crimper operating cutting hay. ------------- Fred Dunlop, G,B,CA, WC,WF, 3 WD45`s,gas, diesel and LP,U,D10 series III, D12,D14,D15 SERIES II,D17 Series IV in Gas and Diesel ,D19 GAS and D21,170 185,210 ,220 an I-600 8070 fwd, 716H and 1920H |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2011 at 2:47pm
------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
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