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    Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 1:38pm
I picked up a "like new" set of 16.5L-16.1 diamond tread tires, and I would like to put them on the front of my 7060. They did come with rims, but the offset is not correct for the 7060. The factory rims are sporting 11L-16's. I would guess that I am correct to assume that these diamond treads will not go onto the factory rims, will they....? Probably mostly due to the "point one" on the end of the size..? I have to wonder what was wrong with plain old 16? Why do they have to have 16.1? I guess that this is sort of a question/want ad. If my factory rims render useless, then I am in the hunt for a set of rims that will work. I just love the looks of those big ole diamond treads on the front end of the 7000 series, and am anxious to get them on. One of em on there now is about to blow anyhow. I'll post pictures when (or if) I get them on. Thanks, Darrel
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You can't put a 16.1 on a16 rim. The rim would be to narrow any way that's why they did that. Did you turn the rim around and put the valve stem on the inside. That's what I did for Wide L series tires on my 190. We also had to turn them around to put wide combine flotation tire on one of the magnum tractors
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I stumbled into a pair of 18.4 x 16.1 diamond treads from a MF 2745 a few years ago. Bolted right on to my 220.
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Dave, I had a pretty good idea that every thing you said was probably going to be the response. Problem is, the center dish on the rims that these diamonds are on is almost centered. There is no offset in the dish either way. Also, the lug bolt holes only have tapers on one side, thus, the tapered lug wouldn't seat. Thanks, Darrel
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Originally posted by darrel in ND darrel in ND wrote:

Dave, I had a pretty good idea that every thing you said was probably going to be the response. Problem is, the center dish on the rims that these diamonds are on is almost centered. There is no offset in the dish either way. Also, the lug bolt holes only have tapers on one side, thus, the tapered lug wouldn't seat. Thanks, Darrel

Try a combine savage yard for a couple of Gleaner L/L2/L3 rear steer floaters (18.4-16.1) on 8 bolt rims. I have such a gleaner pair mounted on my 7060. These rims have a 4" inside & about 13" outside offset, which allows about 2" clearance from inner tire to tractor's steer spindle.
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I don't own a Gleaner L/L2/L3, so I don't know if their standard rear steer hubs are 6 or 8 bolt?? I've seen pictures in Norm's book where the Hydro-RearWheel-Assist steer axles had 8 bolt hubs. I'm assuming these HRWA axles were MudHog mfg? Maybe that's where mine came from?
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I have a set on the L2 that is being parted out, I will check and reply tomorrow.
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You can also use rims off a Hesston 30a stacker or pull type fertilizer spreader. Might be able to find these at a salvage yard. Good Luck!, Mike
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Originally posted by AC7060IL AC7060IL wrote:

I don't own a Gleaner L/L2/L3, so I don't know if their standard rear steer hubs are 6 or 8 bolt?? I've seen pictures in Norm's book where the Hydro-RearWheel-Assist steer axles had 8 bolt hubs. I'm assuming these HRWA axles were MudHog mfg? Maybe that's where mine came from?
I'd like to add that these gleaner tires are R3 (lug type), not the diamond tread. I run them in reverse direction for better tread wear. They grip, turn excellent, but mostly they float best across softer soils. I found my original picture of them still mounted on the gleaner's rear axle. 
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Here's a picture of them mounted on my 7060

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Originally posted by AC7060IL AC7060IL wrote:

Originally posted by AC7060IL AC7060IL wrote:

I don't own a Gleaner L/L2/L3, so I don't know if their standard rear steer hubs are 6 or 8 bolt?? I've seen pictures in Norm's book where the Hydro-RearWheel-Assist steer axles had 8 bolt hubs. I'm assuming these HRWA axles were MudHog mfg? Maybe that's where mine came from?
I'd like to add that these gleaner tires are R3 (lug type), not the diamond tread. I run them in reverse direction for better tread wear. They grip, turn excellent, but mostly they float best across softer soils. I dug around & found my original picture of them still mounted on the gleaner's standard (not HydroRearWheelAssist) rear axle.
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Here's a picture of them mounted on my 7060

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If the wheels that the new tires are mounted on are the proper 8 hole pattern, just move the wheel centers. Not that much of a job, the centers are spot welded with probably a total of 8 welds that can be drilled out, then move center to desired location and reweld. 
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7060,looks like they might smooth out some rough ground
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Originally posted by cowkicker cowkicker wrote:

If the wheels that the new tires are mounted on are the proper 8 hole pattern, just move the wheel centers. Not that much of a job, the centers are spot welded with probably a total of 8 welds that can be drilled out, then move center to desired location and reweld. 

That thought has crossed my mind. Wasn't sure if anyone has ever done that or not, or if it was do-able. Thanks, Darrel
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OK, I gotta ask... won't it be hard to steer with diamond tread tires up front ? If they're like lawn tractor tires they don't steer very well. I have a snowblower rider here and I can't turn very welleven WITH the weight of the Berco snoblower ahead of them.

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I have no problems turning with the ones I have on the 7080.  I have really liked how smooth they ride.
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Originally posted by SteveM C/IL SteveM C/IL wrote:

7060,looks like they might smooth out some rough ground

Yes. No comparison to the originals. Tractor in photo had right wheels adjusted outward to run inside plow furrow. It pulls an AC 2000 6-18 monobeam plow & the 18.4 causes no issues in the furrow.
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Originally posted by darrel in ND darrel in ND wrote:

Originally posted by cowkicker cowkicker wrote:

If the wheels that the new tires are mounted on are the proper 8 hole pattern, just move the wheel centers. Not that much of a job, the centers are spot welded with probably a total of 8 welds that can be drilled out, then move center to desired location and reweld. 

That thought has crossed my mind. Wasn't sure if anyone has ever done that or not, or if it was do-able. Thanks, Darrel
Not a bad job at all, and be sure to use reinforcement rings with them! You can buy them aftermarket and they have tapered holes.
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It took a while to remember to check the L2 when I was at the farm where it is located. L2 with diamond tread has 8 bolt hubs. It was after dark and snow flurries so I did not measure the bolt bolt circle or offset. Next time.
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like LB...I had the diamond tread on my 7080 (rear Case/IH combine tires/wheels) and it rode better and no problem steering it.
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Soybreedingboy77, I am interested in the rims. I sent you a PM. Thanks Darrel
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