D17 Center Steering Arm slop

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   Hey Gang

trying to chase out some (ahem) deferred maintenance on this series IV which includes some very scary tie rods. I noticed there is some slop in the pitman arm/swing lever or what allis calls the center steering arm. it's this guy:

I am going to assume that the arm is a bit of a friction fit, and the roll pin does nothing in terms of anything useful other than keep it from falling off, would that be correct? 

I started to clean it up (still need more elbow grease) but can't see the pin yet. 

the arm is shot, looks like it has had some repairs done to it. I was hoping to possibly drift a new pin in it (when I find it) but i'm thinking the damage is done. 

I have a D17 S IV diesel I can rob parts off of, but...it looks like a front end drop to make this happen. not sure I want to take it that far. Roberts tractor seems to feel it's worth 300 beans used...I am beginning to think that D17 diesel is a gold mine in parts   

Edited by Rusty Allis - 25 Jul 2020 at 8:43pm

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Rusty Allis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Access Joined: 16 Jul 2020 Location: Rhode Island Points: 160	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rusty Allis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: D17 Center Steering Arm slop Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 8:43pm
	Hey Gang trying to chase out some (ahem) deferred maintenance on this series IV which includes some very scary tie rods. I noticed there is some slop in the pitman arm/swing lever or what allis calls the center steering arm. it's this guy: I am going to assume that the arm is a bit of a friction fit, and the roll pin does nothing in terms of anything useful other than keep it from falling off, would that be correct? I started to clean it up (still need more elbow grease) but can't see the pin yet. the arm is shot, looks like it has had some repairs done to it. I was hoping to possibly drift a new pin in it (when I find it) but i'm thinking the damage is done. I have a D17 S IV diesel I can rob parts off of, but...it looks like a front end drop to make this happen. not sure I want to take it that far. Roberts tractor seems to feel it's worth 300 beans used...I am beginning to think that D17 diesel is a gold mine in parts Edited by Rusty Allis - 25 Jul 2020 at 8:43pm

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Alex09(WI) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 15 Mar 2012 Location: CECIL WI Points: 1745	Post Options Post Reply Quote Alex09(WI) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 9:34pm
	Yes it is common for those to have some slop in. Either the arm or the splined shaft or both are worn. You are correct on the pin doing nothing but holding the arm in place
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Rusty Allis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Access Joined: 16 Jul 2020 Location: Rhode Island Points: 160	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rusty Allis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 10:01pm
	thank you for the confirmation. I suspected that it may have some slop due to the design. i'm not pulling the front end if there is no reasonable fix. I have to address my steering U joint before that takes a bigger dump than it already has. before I order this and get my feelings hurt, what is the "later style steering joint"? https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/70224890_Steering-Shaft-Cross-and-Bearing-U-Joint_31682.htm?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIt-7J1vXp6gIVB43ICh3b2ALWEAQYASABEgIp1_D_BwE mine is a 67 so i'm not sure. those pins look like they will be fun to remove

Gatz in NE Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Lincoln, NE Points: 1045	Post Options Post Reply Quote Gatz in NE Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 10:02pm
	just FYI, those "ARM ASY., steering, center" are case-hardened a roll pin should fit snug in it. but if it's too loose or if you're worried about it working itself back out, run a heavy wire through the roll pin leaving enough length to tie it off. BTW, I have a pair of tight tie rods for a D17 PM me if interested. gatz Edited by Gatz in NE - 25 Jul 2020 at 10:02pm

DSeries4 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Ontario, Canada Points: 7484	Post Options Post Reply Quote DSeries4 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 10:34pm
	Replace the roll pin. A new roll pin will not have any wear spots, so it will take up some of the slop. You might also want to check the shaft that it sits on. A sloppy bearing will make the shaft loose as well.
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Rusty Allis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Access Joined: 16 Jul 2020 Location: Rhode Island Points: 160	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rusty Allis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 4:03pm
	the roll pin is in there, but i'm not sure it would be worth the acrobatics to swap it out. it looks like you may be able to do it in place? it's tight, for sure. I was able to cobble together enough mix-n-match parts from this machine to the diesel and made a good set of tie rods. now I have to order the steering u-joint. how much assist should this machine have? we also have a fiat 5045 (my FIL kind of despised that machine haha) and that has very "light" what I would call "wheel of fortune" steering, meaning you can pretty much grab the wheel and (almost) spin it until it comes to it's stop points like you were spinning the wheel of fortune I seem to recall this machine having lighter steering. fluid looks ok, and appears to be ATF as it's red. wondering if I should drain it and put new ATF in, or just drain and use Hy Tran. any thoughts on that? it has power assist for sure, it just seems "muddy" if that makes sense

DrAllis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21751	Post Options Post Reply Quote DrAllis Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 4:44pm
	5 quarts HyTran is fine.

Rusty Allis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Access Joined: 16 Jul 2020 Location: Rhode Island Points: 160	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rusty Allis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 8:18pm
	sounds good. I will run it and get it hot and switch it over