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D17 and big round baler

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    Posted: 17 Sep 2020 at 9:31pm
I was just curious if any of you do any big round bales with your D17 tractor?

If so, what baler make and model?

4 ft wide bale or 5 ft wide bale?

Flat or hilly ground?

How many remotes for the hydraulics do you need?

Monitor on the baler?

Do you also bale cornstocks?

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Back when I had cows, here, I baled with a D-12(III) pulled a Hesston 5530, did very well, everywhere, baling anything.  It needed one set of remotes, to open and close the rear door.  No monitor.  I'd say a 17 would pull a 540 or 550 Hesston, no problems!  Oh, and these Hesstons were re-badged by IH, and NI, and still in production, IIRR...Hug
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Heck no!!!!!

Our baler is rated for 120 hp minimum.  I can make the 8030 snort with our 4x5.   Neighbor baled with a 160 40 years ago but it was a little 410 Deere baler.  The only D series that can make big bales is a D21.   When we bought the baler I thought the 6080 would be a match now I doubt it.  
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Oh we also need 3-4 remotes all but one double action. 
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Never tried a D 17, on ocassion used a 175 D on a 6x5 baler, fine on flat ground a bit light for hilly ground.
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I have a Vermeer 504 silage I Baler that makes 4‘ wide x 5’ dia bales and use it on the 185’s mainly for the hydraulic PTO. I have ran it on the 175d without a struggle in dry hay. I think it requires 50hp min. It does not pull any load in dry hay until it is at full dia, meaning if there is a hp issue, you could simply cut off a little smaller. I prefer the monitor however, I also have a switch in case I would need to change tractors in hurry. This just means I have to watch it tie and turn the switch off and on. Most balers have the option for electric tie or hydraulic— I would stay away from the manual tie. If I only had a d17, I would use it, may not want to go down steep hills loaded would be my biggest issue. You need at a min ,is one dual outlet for pressure on the rear door. The other downside is the dust is close to you on the smaller tractors. I have baled anything that can be cut with this Baler.

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So, at a minimum, I think you'd want a D-17 with 16.9 x 28 rear tires with fluid, making the tractor weigh at least 5500 lbs. More weight the better for safety.
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There's matches for a 17, and older New Holland 846 would be perfect, not the prettiest bales but they work , 4 by 5 weigh around 1000 lbs a bale
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote cpg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Sep 2020 at 8:01am
Depending on the baler yes you could round bale with a D17. We have an older 5x5 Vermeer belt baler and an old New Holland 5x5 chain baler. Both just need one two way remote for the lift gate; have manual twine arms so no monitor or electrics to deal with. I'm sure some of the new big balers would be too much with hydraulics and or hp for a D17 but we have baled many acres running either baler with our 1947 Oliver 88 or a Long 560 so I'm sure a good D17 would be able to run them.
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   I have used a McKee 4 by 5 baler with hydraulic tie that required 2 sets of remotes on my Series 2 D17.A little under powered with the original engine but it got the job done .The tractor now has a combine engine and the extra power makes a difference.
     My Claas Rollant 62 makes a similar size bale but needs more horsepower so I usually run it with my DA7085.
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Once bailed for the neighbor using his baler and my tractor.  He had a Vermeer M baler and I had my White 105.  That baler pushed my white around pretty good.  Wouldn't want anything smaller for sure.  I usually bale with my 8030 and I have a Hesston 856A.  It is automatic and only needs PTO, no hydraulics.  Baler has a pump and own hydraulics that runs from the PTO. I don't think my D17 would handle my 856A very well plus I got rolling hills. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Ricky D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Sep 2020 at 6:50pm
We run a Case 8430/Hesston 540 with 175D, 4 x 4 bales, handles it no effort, groans a bit w/full bale on a grade. Only tractor we've ever used on it.
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Gee wizzz, some of you guys got fancy balers ! 
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Hydraulics would be the major issue unless yours is a series 4 D17.  Earlier models had the low volume/single acting hydraulics - not good for something with lots of double acting cylinders on it.
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we used our series 4  d17 on a new idea 484  5' bale perfect size bale

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Thanks everyone for the input. I have a Series 1 and was just dreaming. I think it sounds iffy at best.

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You can put a 2 way valve on a D17 Series I,I had a WD45 Diesel with a 262 gas in it and a double acting valve.Used it to bale with a NH 851,a little slow on the hydraulics but got the job done.Also to open and shut the baler gate no reason you couldn't mount a 12V electric over hydraulic unit on your D17 like lift gates and old wreckers used to use.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote DrAllis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Sep 2020 at 6:20am
The installation of a single spool two-way valve to the left side of the seat wouldn't cost more than $200 for the valve and hoses. If the tractor has fluid in the tires, a 4 x 4 baler sounds like it would be fine. I think 800 to 1,000 lb bales would be as big as I'd want to go.
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