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Kiwi 
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Posted: 17 Nov 2019 at 3:31am |
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Hi all just reading a book by Alan C King about the D 10 and D 12 and I can not see the difference between the two is there any other then 1/2 inch in height and length
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chuck linn
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Posted: 17 Nov 2019 at 4:22am |
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D10 is 1 row tractor d12 is two row tractor has to do with row width spacing
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Posted: 17 Nov 2019 at 5:38am |
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did the D12 come with high-low tranny, or was it an option ?
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Posted: 17 Nov 2019 at 6:12am |
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They both had the HIGH/LOW trans as an OPTION and not in the early models.
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Posted: 17 Nov 2019 at 6:16am |
Only difference is the wider rear side pieces, I forget the correct part name, its the piece between the rear and final drive... 
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Posted: 17 Nov 2019 at 6:48am |
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D-10 and D-12 are identical tractors except for the width. As was said before, the D-10 is a one row tractor and the D-12 which is 11.5" wider is a two row tractor. Early ones had a 138 cu.in. engine and NO live PTO. Later ones had the 149 cu.in. engine and independent live hydraulics and PTO. An optional high/low range transmission was available on the Series III models.
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Posted: 17 Nov 2019 at 6:44pm |
Look at the steering linkages at the front axle, left side. The d12 has more parts. Google up images of both and compare.
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Posted: 17 Nov 2019 at 7:05pm |
I have a '65 series 3 D-10 with the 2 speed gear box in front of the 4 speed transmission. It will do 16.25 mph. I like taking it on caravans. It is easy to load on my flat bed trailer I tow behind our class C motor home.
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Posted: 17 Nov 2019 at 7:28pm |
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Brian, you are correct on the steering linkage. D-12 has an extra pivot point to accommodate a wider front axle tread width setting
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Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 5:18am |
My D12 on the left has a wider stance the D10 on the right
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Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 6:15am |
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Just so there's no misunderstanding about the optional 2-speed gearbox. It was an under-drive, not an over-drive. So none of the original 4-speeds are any faster, only slower.
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Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 7:19am |
underdrive .. great,, that's what I'd like to have to run the 5' rototiller ! The D-14 is a tad too fast.... course I'd have t find a D-12 and build another shed to hide it..
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Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 7:38am |
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I think if you compare the ground speeds, under-drive 1st gear in the D10/12 is the same as low side of 1st on a D14.
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Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 7:38am |
Folks, Again I learn something about these small Allis D series tractors too! Nice! Great picture of the two side by side! Thanks Charlie! Regards, Chris
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Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 7:55am |
To add some more differences, mainly in the Series 2 to 3 change Fenders, lights, nose weight, foot pedals, controls
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Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 7:57am |
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Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 7:59am |
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Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 9:47am |
 DrAllis wrote:
Just so there's no misunderstanding about the optional 2-speed gearbox. It was an under-drive, not an over-drive. So none of the original 4-speeds are any faster, only slower. |
You are right. I had assumed that it was over-drive, I had to dig out my manuals and check. Sixteen and two tenths mph is a pretty speed for the hp.
Thanks, Dusty
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Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 9:47am |
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Awful purty there Charlie, have the twin to your D12 with the live pto and live hydraulics, though some swear they did not exist that early.
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Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 9:51am |
The nose weight was an option, along with the grill guard. I have both, thanks to Snowman, He built both.
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Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 10:03am |
The weight is much needed on the front!
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Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 10:28am |
Never drove one. With that gearshift shaft bent like that, do they shift OK?
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Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 10:51am |
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Yes, same gearshift as a D14/15 has.
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Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 10:53am |
Forgot to mention the Throttle is different as Allis went with a different brand than what it had before. One is push and one is pull. Makes for remembering fun when hopping on them
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Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 12:48pm |
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thanks for all the posts i want one now it might be a one day thing
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Posted: 25 Nov 2019 at 5:29pm |
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4th gear in a CA, D-10 or D-12 is definitely a road gear. I remember when I was a kid that our CA would run circles around the other tractors on the road when going farm to farm to cultivate.
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Posted: 25 Nov 2019 at 6:36pm |
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Those are great looking tractors!! I spent many summer days hauling tobacco with a D10.Perfect for the drag middles and smooth sailing from the fields to the tobacco barns.
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