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Kiwi ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Jan 2018 Location: New zealand Points: 390 |
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Hi all just reading a book by Alan C King about the D 10 and D 12 and I can not see the difference between the two is there any other then 1/2 inch in height and length
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chuck linn ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 13 Dec 2012 Location: ky Points: 78 |
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D10 is 1 row tractor d12 is two row tractor has to do with row width spacing
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jaybmiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 24581 |
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did the D12 come with high-low tranny, or was it an option ?
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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21727 |
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They both had the HIGH/LOW trans as an OPTION and not in the early models.
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DiyDave ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 53855 |
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Only difference is the wider rear side pieces, I forget the correct part name, its the piece between the rear and final drive...
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Calvin Schmidt ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Ontario Can. Points: 4532 |
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D-10 and D-12 are identical tractors except for the width. As was said before, the D-10 is a one row tractor and the D-12 which is 11.5" wider is a two row tractor. Early ones had a 138 cu.in. engine and NO live PTO. Later ones had the 149 cu.in. engine and independent live hydraulics and PTO. An optional high/low range transmission was available on the Series III models.
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Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed
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BrianC ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 16 Jun 2011 Location: New York Points: 1619 |
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Look at the steering linkages at the front axle, left side. The d12 has more parts. Google up images of both and compare.
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Dusty MI ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Charlotte, Mi Points: 5058 |
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I have a '65 series 3 D-10 with the 2 speed gear box in front of the 4 speed transmission. It will do 16.25 mph.
I like taking it on caravans. It is easy to load on my flat bed trailer I tow behind our class C motor home. Dusty
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917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express"
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Calvin Schmidt ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Ontario Can. Points: 4532 |
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Brian, you are correct on the steering linkage. D-12 has an extra pivot point to accommodate a wider front axle tread width setting
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Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed
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Charlie175 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Shenandoah, VA Points: 6368 |
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My D12 on the left has a wider stance the D10 on the right
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Charlie
'48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21727 |
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Just so there's no misunderstanding about the optional 2-speed gearbox. It was an under-drive, not an over-drive. So none of the original 4-speeds are any faster, only slower.
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jaybmiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 24581 |
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underdrive .. great,, that's what I'd like to have to run the 5' rototiller ! The D-14 is a tad too fast.... course I'd have t find a D-12 and build another shed to hide it..
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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21727 |
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I think if you compare the ground speeds, under-drive 1st gear in the D10/12 is the same as low side of 1st on a D14.
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8448 |
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Folks,
Again I learn something about these small Allis D series tractors too! Nice! Great picture of the two side by side! Thanks Charlie! Regards, Chris
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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Charlie175 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Shenandoah, VA Points: 6368 |
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To add some more differences, mainly in the Series 2 to 3 change
Fenders, lights, nose weight, foot pedals, controls
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Charlie
'48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
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Charlie175 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Shenandoah, VA Points: 6368 |
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More stuff
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Charlie
'48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
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Charlie175 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Shenandoah, VA Points: 6368 |
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and some more
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Charlie
'48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
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Dusty MI ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Charlotte, Mi Points: 5058 |
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You are right. I had assumed that it was over-drive, I had to dig out my manuals and check. Sixteen and two tenths mph is a pretty speed for the hp. Thanks, Dusty
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917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express"
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TimNearFortWorth ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Dec 2009 Points: 2014 |
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Awful purty there Charlie, have the twin to your D12 with the live pto and live hydraulics, though some swear they did not exist that early.
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Dusty MI ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Charlotte, Mi Points: 5058 |
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The nose weight was an option, along with the grill guard. I have both, thanks to Snowman, He built both.
Dusty
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917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express"
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Charlie175 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Shenandoah, VA Points: 6368 |
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The weight is much needed on the front!
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Charlie
'48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
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BrianC ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 16 Jun 2011 Location: New York Points: 1619 |
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Never drove one. With that gearshift shaft bent like that, do they shift OK? |
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Charlie175 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Shenandoah, VA Points: 6368 |
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Yes, same gearshift as a D14/15 has.
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Charlie
'48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
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Charlie175 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Shenandoah, VA Points: 6368 |
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Forgot to mention the Throttle is different as Allis went with a different brand than what it had before.
One is push and one is pull. Makes for remembering fun when hopping on them
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Charlie
'48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
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Kiwi ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Jan 2018 Location: New zealand Points: 390 |
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thanks for all the posts i want one now it might be a one day thing
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RMD ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Oct 2009 Location: Connecticut Points: 304 |
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4th gear in a CA, D-10 or D-12 is definitely a road gear. I remember when I was a kid that our CA would run circles around the other tractors on the road when going farm to farm to cultivate.
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MDWilliams338 ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Nov 2018 Location: NC Points: 476 |
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Those are great looking tractors!! I spent many summer days hauling tobacco with a D10.Perfect for the drag middles and smooth sailing from the fields to the tobacco barns.
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