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Claus 
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Posted: 25 Jan 2010 at 1:41pm |
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So if someone were to put a Chevy 292 with split manifold etc. in a 45 or D17 what kind of horse could they have? Would any of the clubs let you pull with that?
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L Hud
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Posted: 26 Jan 2010 at 9:34am |
I am down in TN. We have a couple of clubs that pull outlaw class. I have a WD with a 292 on it. The rules are simple. Any gear , any rpm. It seems that clubs all over are inching up in their mph and rpm. I have really enjoyed the outlaw classes. I am too old and too slow to drive anymore but I still love to hear it go down the track. If you ever take a ride on one , I am sure you will like it.
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Posted: 26 Jan 2010 at 10:12am |
Hello Larry how you doing? Claus youre starting out with 170 horse engine if you use a 292 . The hp can go up to 600hp its hard to keep the crank in one at that hp from what i have been told by people who worked for the late jim headrick. I know the cfm capabilities of the 292 head I just cant seam to get anyone to give me the flow data from a 301 to compare. Larrys is the only one I have been around that the rpms didnt fall off quick when the box came up.
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Posted: 26 Jan 2010 at 11:12am |
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I saw a 292 installed in a D17D series 1; looked pretty easy and worked well for the guy who couldn't afford to overhaul the original engine.
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Posted: 26 Jan 2010 at 11:23am |
I always thought that a 292 inline would work quite well in a WC, or WD chassis. That engine was offered in a lot of GM Mason dumps and commercial vehicles of the 60's-70's. They make a lot of torque in the cellar. I would think it would make a great pullin' engine. A buddy of mine has one in his old dump truck. I think that would look and work well in Hercule's my ole' WC. L Hud, I assume you made an adapter plate to couple the 292 to the driveline? What parts were needed to make everything work? Still been thinkin' bout that yet for over a year now....
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Posted: 26 Jan 2010 at 11:36am |
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Cant you get an adapter plate off of a combine?
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Posted: 26 Jan 2010 at 4:07pm |
Steve. Yes it takes a couple of adapters. One for the bellhousing and one for the flywheel. The one for the flywheel has two purposes. One to adapt the flywheel to the crank hup and make it so you can use the stock starter. The flywheel has to be repunched to match the crank. A friend of mine made the adapters and flywheel. Mine has a custom one piece flywheel. As for the horsepower, the 292 makes hp on the rpm's. That is not below 3000. Of course this is all relative to cam ,head, carbration. I don't know how many horses mine has, from what I read about other people saying how much theirs have and whats been done to them, I would guess between 275 and 300 at its given rpm range.
mpanky. if you want to talk head flow, go over to inliners and hang out a while. Those boys have flowed everything that is in line.
Mine tractor is for sale. I posted it here last year. My son posted some pics of it. Should be able to do a search and find the old postl.
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Posted: 26 Jan 2010 at 4:13pm |
This may be a dumb question, if your running in an outlaw class with no rpm, no gear limit etc., why not use a small block instead? Does the 292 offer any advantage over a V8?
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Posted: 26 Jan 2010 at 4:17pm |
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The v8 are another class. Some clubs call the v8 class hot rod. Small and Big block.
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Posted: 26 Jan 2010 at 8:05pm |
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larry I have flow numbers from scott marshall (cncdude inliners )as well as self and meux on the 292 .I cant get any flow numbers from anyone on the allis 301 head . The 301 allis engine can be punched to over 400 cubic inches if it has the cfm to support 600 hp in my mind the extra torque of the extra cubes and steel crank would be beneficial. LARRY did you pulled against last year the 301 powered d17 in crossville.
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Posted: 26 Jan 2010 at 8:16pm |
Local trucking company was into old tractors on the side and had IH mostly , one they put a IH truck engine into 450 cu.in black diamond engine that has truck arated HP of 190 or so at 1800 RPM I believe. Don't think they pulled with it but just as a show item.
I know the White Super Mustang I have is 200 HP at 2200 RPM . 450 ft lb torque and just looks like a Chev 6 on steroids.
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Posted: 26 Jan 2010 at 8:39pm |
Hi Larry, I have a WD-45 with a 262 in it out of a Gleaner Combine works really well..I also have a 292 out of Massey 410 combine we had on the farm for a # of years. I went with the 262 because it seemed like an easier install. I would really like to get more information from you on the adapter plates for the 292 conversion and see some photos of your tractor. I couldn't find any old pic on the post.
Jim
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Posted: 27 Jan 2010 at 4:22pm |
Mlpankey. I did not run across the D 17. Russell came to our fair with his Red Diamond IH. he is from Crossville. He has some ride. My little AC came close but no cigar.LOL
Z, I have a WD 45D with a 230 gas in it. It was that way when I bought it. I got it off of a farm in KY. Had been done for years. I use it to feed with here in the winter. It will burn more gas than anything on the place. The reason we went with the 292 was we were chevy people. LoL. The cost is the main reason. We could get off the shelf parts and they were cheaper. We did research on the 262 and 301 as to cost. It was going to take a arm and a leg. Also was the issue of weight. We wanted to stay in the light classes. The 292 weighs less than the stock 226. We liked the 4000 class. Keeps the Oliver boys honest. LoL You can have a good running and competitive tractor for the fraction of the cost as to some of the other motors. I will have my son post some pics. I am not that sharp computer wise.
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Posted: 27 Jan 2010 at 6:39pm |
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Are you guys gonna have that pull at the county fair again.
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Posted: 27 Jan 2010 at 7:50pm |
Here are some pictures of Pop's WD w/292 chevy.
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There isn't much a WC can't do.
WD's just do it better.
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Posted: 27 Jan 2010 at 7:59pm |
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Very cool! You were even able to use the WD starter?
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Posted: 28 Jan 2010 at 4:35pm |
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Yes we are going to have the pull again. The antique pull is on Thur. night of the fair. We keep the number of classes low. We only run 4000 thru 6500 antique class at 4mph. The other classes are 4000 thru 6000 Outlaw.
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Posted: 28 Jan 2010 at 5:26pm |
Larry, can I get a little more detailed info from you on the adapter plate for the bellhousing and motor and the flywheel starter etc..
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Jim
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Posted: 28 Jan 2010 at 5:42pm |
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Z, The adapter plate is much like the one used when you put the 262 in your WD. If you look at the pic. posted and then look at your tractor you should see the similarity. A friend of mine made the adapters and used my 45D as a visual pattern. I don't know if he has any now or not. A boy over near Hoptown came and bought a set from him last year and put one together.
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Posted: 28 Jan 2010 at 6:27pm |
Larry which fly wheel and clutch did you use the WD's or the 292's. I have a fellow not far from me who installed a 292 in a WC and he kept the 292 and truck tranny together and everything pretty much matched right up. He has a set of 1/2 tracks on it and uses it to pull logs out of the bush. The torque is unreal and its unbelievable on fuel.
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Posted: 29 Jan 2010 at 4:08pm |
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Z, We used the WD flywheel. You have to repunch it to match the chevy pattern. The other adapter goes between the flywheel and the crank hub. It fits the flywheel on one end and the hub on the other. Its thickness is what makes it possible to use the WD starter. I don't remember how thick it has to be.
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Posted: 29 Jan 2010 at 6:25pm |
H, is it possible to get your friends name & # to contact him regarding the adapter plates and the flywheel. Wondering if he might be interested in making that up for me or giving me the details. H, I would love to have my engine and adapter pieces ready to replace the 262 it's just to expensive to work on or modify for power.
Thanks, JZ
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Posted: 29 Jan 2010 at 9:25pm |
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Hud,
Love that installation! The tri-power is pretty slick too! I'd be interested also in a set of those adapter plates if your buddy still makes em'. Ole' Herc' my WC would look pretty cool with one of those dudes in it!
Steve@B&B
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Posted: 30 Jan 2010 at 11:03am |
I will check and see if he has any more. Or if he is going to make any. I will get his email and send it ,so you can talk heads up.
Thanks for the kind words Steve. I love the 3 deuces. You should her roar. I love to hear it go. For the AC people, in the first pic. , What is missing?
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Posted: 30 Jan 2010 at 12:34pm |
Larry, This Tyler Hancock. I was wondering if you still had your RC for sale? Also I need to Holler at you about your engine. If you don't mind e-mail your phone number again please. tylerhancock@aol.com Thanks, tyler
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Posted: 30 Jan 2010 at 1:34pm |
Very nice work Hud! I'll bet that 292 sounds good going down the track. I noticed the hand clutch is gone. Was that to remove weight, or because the hand clutch would not hold up? What work was necessary to bolt the bellhousing directly up to the transmission? I am in the process of gathering parts for a G262 conversion myself.
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Posted: 30 Jan 2010 at 4:53pm |
Hey Tyler, Yes the RC is still for sale. I saw some pics of your tractor. It looked good. I sent you an email.
Brian you have a good eye and truly an AC man. Every piece of that tractor is AC. Even every bolt (except the grade 8 holding the wt. rack.) Take a guess as to how it was done?
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Posted: 30 Jan 2010 at 5:39pm |
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Appearance wise, it looks like the bellhousing would bolt right up to the transmission, but I didn't think the transmission input shaft would be long enough to reach the clutch. Did you extend/couple the shaft? Thanks.
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Posted: 01 Feb 2010 at 8:16am |
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You are right the bellhousing is bolted direct to the trans. It is all AC, I did not make anything. Think a moment and you will figure it out . What uses a long input shaft?
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Posted: 28 Sep 2010 at 7:42pm |
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not sure... i would love more info to...Fall is coming and im looking to build a new puller. let me know what i need to do so i can make a list. it would be greatly apreciated.
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