Chevy 292
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Topic: Chevy 292
Posted By: Claus
Subject: Chevy 292
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2010 at 1:41pm
| So if someone were to put a Chevy 292 with split manifold etc. in a 45 or D17 what kind of horse could they have? Would any of the clubs let you pull with that? |
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Posted By: L Hud
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2010 at 9:34am
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I am down in TN. We have a couple of clubs that pull outlaw class. I have a WD with a 292 on it. The rules are simple. Any gear , any rpm. It seems that clubs all over are inching up in their mph and rpm. I have really enjoyed the outlaw classes. I am too old and too slow to drive anymore but I still love to hear it go down the track. If you ever take a ride on one , I am sure you will like it.
L Hud
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Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2010 at 10:12am
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Hello Larry how you doing? Claus youre starting out with 170 horse engine if you use a 292 . The hp can go up to 600hp its hard to keep the crank in one at that hp from what i have been told by people who worked for the late jim headrick. I know the cfm capabilities of the 292 head I just cant seam to get anyone to give me the flow data from a 301 to compare. Larrys is the only one I have been around that the rpms didnt fall off quick when the box came up. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: TramwayGuy
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2010 at 11:12am
| I saw a 292 installed in a D17D series 1; looked pretty easy and worked well for the guy who couldn't afford to overhaul the original engine. |
Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2010 at 11:23am
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I always thought that a 292 inline would work quite well in a WC, or WD chassis. That engine was offered in a lot of GM Mason dumps and commercial vehicles of the 60's-70's. They make a lot of torque in the cellar. I would think it would make a great pullin' engine. A buddy of mine has one in his old dump truck. I think that would look and work well in Hercule's my ole' WC. L Hud, I assume you made an adapter plate to couple the 292 to the driveline? What parts were needed to make everything work? Still been thinkin' bout that yet for over a year now....
mailto:Steve@B&B - Steve@B&B
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Posted By: JayIN
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2010 at 11:36am
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Cant you get an adapter plate off of a combine? ------------- sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?" |
Posted By: L Hud
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2010 at 4:07pm
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Steve. Yes it takes a couple of adapters. One for the bellhousing and one for the flywheel. The one for the flywheel has two purposes. One to adapt the flywheel to the crank hup and make it so you can use the stock starter. The flywheel has to be repunched to match the crank. A friend of mine made the adapters and flywheel. Mine has a custom one piece flywheel. As for the horsepower, the 292 makes hp on the rpm's. That is not below 3000. Of course this is all relative to cam ,head, carbration. I don't know how many horses mine has, from what I read about other people saying how much theirs have and whats been done to them, I would guess between 275 and 300 at its given rpm range.
mpanky. if you want to talk head flow, go over to inliners and hang out a while. Those boys have flowed everything that is in line.
Mine tractor is for sale. I posted it here last year. My son posted some pics of it. Should be able to do a search and find the old postl.
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Posted By: Claus
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2010 at 4:13pm
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This may be a dumb question, if your running in an outlaw class with no rpm, no gear limit etc., why not use a small block instead? Does the 292 offer any advantage over a V8? |
Posted By: L Hud
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2010 at 4:17pm
| The v8 are another class. Some clubs call the v8 class hot rod. Small and Big block. |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2010 at 8:05pm
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larry I have flow numbers from scott marshall (cncdude inliners )as well as self and meux on the 292 .I cant get any flow numbers from anyone on the allis 301 head . The 301 allis engine can be punched to over 400 cubic inches if it has the cfm to support 600 hp in my mind the extra torque of the extra cubes and steel crank would be beneficial. LARRY did you pulled against last year the 301 powered d17 in crossville. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2010 at 8:16pm
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Local trucking company was into old tractors on the side and had IH mostly , one they put a IH truck engine into 450 cu.in black diamond engine that has truck arated HP of 190 or so at 1800 RPM I believe. Don't think they pulled with it but just as a show item.
I know the White Super Mustang I have is 200 HP at 2200 RPM . 450 ft lb torque and just looks like a Chev 6 on steroids. ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: Zyta
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2010 at 8:39pm
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Hi Larry, I have a WD-45 with a 262 in it out of a Gleaner Combine works really well..I also have a 292 out of Massey 410 combine we had on the farm for a # of years. I went with the 262 because it seemed like an easier install. I would really like to get more information from you on the adapter plates for the 292 conversion and see some photos of your tractor. I couldn't find any old pic on the post.
Jim
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Posted By: L Hud
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2010 at 4:22pm
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Mlpankey. I did not run across the D 17. Russell came to our fair with his Red Diamond IH. he is from Crossville. He has some ride. My little AC came close but no cigar.LOL
Z, I have a WD 45D with a 230 gas in it. It was that way when I bought it. I got it off of a farm in KY. Had been done for years. I use it to feed with here in the winter. It will burn more gas than anything on the place. The reason we went with the 292 was we were chevy people. LoL. The cost is the main reason. We could get off the shelf parts and they were cheaper. We did research on the 262 and 301 as to cost. It was going to take a arm and a leg. Also was the issue of weight. We wanted to stay in the light classes. The 292 weighs less than the stock 226. We liked the 4000 class. Keeps the Oliver boys honest. LoL You can have a good running and competitive tractor for the fraction of the cost as to some of the other motors. I will have my son post some pics. I am not that sharp computer wise.
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Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2010 at 6:39pm
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Are you guys gonna have that pull at the county fair again. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Hudsonator
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2010 at 7:50pm
Here are some pictures of Pop's WD w/292 chevy.
   ------------- There isn't much a WC can't do. WD's just do it better. |
Posted By: Claus
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2010 at 7:59pm
| Very cool! You were even able to use the WD starter? |
Posted By: L Hud
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2010 at 4:35pm
| Yes we are going to have the pull again. The antique pull is on Thur. night of the fair. We keep the number of classes low. We only run 4000 thru 6500 antique class at 4mph. The other classes are 4000 thru 6000 Outlaw. |
Posted By: Zyta
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2010 at 5:26pm
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Larry, can I get a little more detailed info from you on the adapter plate for the bellhousing and motor and the flywheel starter etc..
Thanks,
Jim
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Posted By: L Hud
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2010 at 5:42pm
| Z, The adapter plate is much like the one used when you put the 262 in your WD. If you look at the pic. posted and then look at your tractor you should see the similarity. A friend of mine made the adapters and used my 45D as a visual pattern. I don't know if he has any now or not. A boy over near Hoptown came and bought a set from him last year and put one together. |
Posted By: Zyta
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2010 at 6:27pm
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Larry which fly wheel and clutch did you use the WD's or the 292's. I have a fellow not far from me who installed a 292 in a WC and he kept the 292 and truck tranny together and everything pretty much matched right up. He has a set of 1/2 tracks on it and uses it to pull logs out of the bush. The torque is unreal and its unbelievable on fuel. Jim |
Posted By: L Hud
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2010 at 4:08pm
| Z, We used the WD flywheel. You have to repunch it to match the chevy pattern. The other adapter goes between the flywheel and the crank hub. It fits the flywheel on one end and the hub on the other. Its thickness is what makes it possible to use the WD starter. I don't remember how thick it has to be. |
Posted By: Zyta
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2010 at 6:25pm
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H, is it possible to get your friends name & # to contact him regarding the adapter plates and the flywheel. Wondering if he might be interested in making that up for me or giving me the details. H, I would love to have my engine and adapter pieces ready to replace the 262 it's just to expensive to work on or modify for power.
Thanks, JZ
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Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2010 at 9:25pm
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Hud, Love that installation! The tri-power is pretty slick too! I'd be interested also in a set of those adapter plates if your buddy still makes em'. Ole' Herc' my WC would look pretty cool with one of those dudes in it! Steve@B&B |
Posted By: L Hud
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2010 at 11:03am
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I will check and see if he has any more. Or if he is going to make any. I will get his email and send it ,so you can talk heads up.
Thanks for the kind words Steve. I love the 3 deuces. You should her roar. I love to hear it go. For the AC people, in the first pic. , What is missing?
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Posted By: TYLER
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2010 at 12:34pm
| Larry, This Tyler Hancock. I was wondering if you still had your RC for sale? Also I need to Holler at you about your engine. If you don't mind e-mail your phone number again please. mailto:tylerhancock@aol.com - tylerhancock@aol.com Thanks, tyler |
Posted By: Brian Ahart
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2010 at 1:34pm
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Very nice work Hud! I'll bet that 292 sounds good going down the track. I noticed the hand clutch is gone. Was that to remove weight, or because the hand clutch would not hold up? What work was necessary to bolt the bellhousing directly up to the transmission? I am in the process of gathering parts for a G262 conversion myself. ------------- A-C Weight ID reference and other goodies at http://www.brianahart.net" rel="nofollow - brianahart.net |
Posted By: L Hud
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2010 at 4:53pm
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Hey Tyler, Yes the RC is still for sale. I saw some pics of your tractor. It looked good. I sent you an email.
Brian you have a good eye and truly an AC man. Every piece of that tractor is AC. Even every bolt (except the grade 8 holding the wt. rack.) Take a guess as to how it was done?
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Posted By: Brian Ahart
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2010 at 5:39pm
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Appearance wise, it looks like the bellhousing would bolt right up to the transmission, but I didn't think the transmission input shaft would be long enough to reach the clutch. Did you extend/couple the shaft? Thanks.
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Posted By: L Hud
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2010 at 8:16am
| You are right the bellhousing is bolted direct to the trans. It is all AC, I did not make anything. Think a moment and you will figure it out . What uses a long input shaft? |
Posted By: WCCLASON
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2010 at 7:42pm
| not sure... i would love more info to...Fall is coming and im looking to build a new puller. let me know what i need to do so i can make a list. it would be greatly apreciated. |
Posted By: DREAM
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2010 at 8:25pm
| OK, I know we're talking about Chevys going into ACs here, but what about us blue oval fans? Anyone tried putting a 300 Ford 6 in an AC? I know, some of the parts would be more expensive and the heads would really need work, but all of the ones I have had in pickups would beat the chevy 292(and 305, 307 V-8) trucks when pulling heavy loads. The sixes were closer in power than the small V-8s. 292 is respectable engine, as are most small block Chevys. Just more partial to the Fords. |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2010 at 10:30pm
| <<<<<wonders if my WD45 tractor has the 292 in it, it has a chev 6 cyl in it, with 2 trannys, bought on an auction this year. haven't had much chance/time to look it over better yet. it's just sitting here lookin pretty! (like me) !! lol |
Posted By: Hudsonator
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2010 at 9:10am
Ironicly, that rule was crafted by the Oliver guys to silence our Custom Model B. Previously you could run the stock block and head, any rpm, any gear, any carburetor, with any wheel type. They didn't like being taken to task by a 230 CID flathead turning 5500 rpms, which was within the existing rules of the time. So, they changed the rules to get the later Waukesha engines with more ports, more mains, etc. They didn't pay attention to their rule making and opened up the ability to put the 292 Chevy in a WD. Allis used it as the gas engine in F combines.
That first season was funny. The Oliver boys had worked all winter on their new 12 port, 7 main Waukesha engines - while Dad and a couple of his cohorts worked on the new Allis versions. By spring, the Oliver boys were again dismayed. 3 Allis 292 tractors were running out our hometown and would take 1-2-3 place every pull. Finally, the class just got down to the 3 "Yellow Jackets", as they were called, and wasn't as much fun anymore. There is some truth to the old saying "its lonely at the top". Russell Wattenbarger's Red Diamond IH is the only thing we've run across that can't be handled by the WD/292, but then Russell's tractor can't handle itself half the time and breaks the tranny.
One neighbor sold his south, Alabama I think. Another neighbor just pulls his at the Macon Co. Fair, once a year. Dad, has retired from "high speed" pulling and has his for sale. Or, if we find a good vehicle - disassemble the tractor and use the engine in a 6-powered Rod.
But, that's why there wasn't a Ford - or some other 6 cylinder engine in the WD. ------------- There isn't much a WC can't do. WD's just do it better. |
DREAM wrote:Posted By: WCCLASON
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2010 at 10:48am
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Would it be possable for you to post or e-mail a few pictures of it. any help i can get would be amazing. Like how the trany was addaped...motor mounts... just a few little things. i am a machinist and can make the adapters if i have to i just want to know what im getting myself into.
Also thanks for all the info...didnt know if i could get people talking about this again. i have a 49 WD i want to do this to. I have a freshly rebuilt engine out of a old chevy bus to put into it. how does the allis trans hold up to the 292? clutch? just wondering how well this works. Thanks again for the info...
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Posted By: KS Husker
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2010 at 1:14pm
My uncle put a 292 in a 45 diesel about 25 years ago. Motor lasted a long time. This and a 190 were his main tractors for years. Motor finally wore out and finished putting another 292 in it this spring.
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Posted By: DREAM
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2010 at 5:28pm
| Husker, that WD-45 looks like it may be crossed with a 190, or 100 series anyway. LOL!Instrument panel, fenders, floor pan, seat? Got any more pics of that beast? Very interesting. |
Posted By: WCCLASON
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 9:25pm
| does any one else have any info on the actual parts needed for this swap? up close pictures of how the engine was mounted.... anything they had to make to make it fit. also i know in the begining of this topic someone said they had to use a long input shaft out of somthing to make it work. does anyone know what that was about? |
Posted By: L Hud
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2010 at 6:23am
| WC go back and read the whole thread. Most of the info you need has already been mentioned. You will need an adapter for the engine to trans. and another one to adapt the flywheel to the 292 crank. The allis flywheel will need to be repunched. I still have the one in the pics. and it is for sale. |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2010 at 9:21pm
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Husker, what a nice job on that WD, someone went to a lot of work to make it a "modern" tractor.
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Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2010 at 6:54am
------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: cde puller
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2010 at 3:09pm
| i'm putting a 292 in a d-19 this winter been doing the motor now i'm fixin to start the process. does anyone have any tips to make it less painful ! |