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Changes to D-14 in 1959 and after?

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    Posted: 10 May 2017 at 12:42am
Wondering if a knowledgeable member could describe the changes made to the D-14 in and after 1959? Thanks
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Grille was changed to match the new D-10/12 tractor line...
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I think they changed the crank shaft pulley.  If I 'm right (rarely) some time in late 59 they started to put a pulley with holes in it for running a hydro pump.  I have a 1960 So I'm interested to know what changes were made also.  I also think that's when they started making them 12 volt negative ground.
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went to 12 volt...ring gear and starter have different # of teeth(don't ask HOW I KNOW that one....) but starters WITH a band near the end are 6 volt, NO band = 12 volt.
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Did the drawbar change some? Like the D17 changed
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1. steering wheel
2. steering wheel shaft
3. 12 volt system
4. longer pto lever
5. wider draw bar bale
6. mesh grill vs black bar grill
7. headlight shape
8. 93 teeth ring gear vs 116 teeth ring gear
9. D14 decals
10. Bolts vs studs on adjustable front end
11. Bigger tail lights, not the bullets
12. Four blade vs five blade fan
13. Front crank pulley, no longer having the crank provision
14. New style key starter vs push button
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Originally posted by Steve(SEMN) Steve(SEMN) wrote:

1. steering wheel
2. steering wheel shaft
3. 12 volt system
4. longer pto lever
5. wider draw bar bale
6. mesh grill vs black bar grill
7. headlight size
8. 93 teeth ring gear vs 116 teeth ring gear
9. D14 decals
10. Bolts vs studs on adjustable front end (Earlier had bolts - never seen studs)
11. Bigger tail lights, not the bullets (STILL BULLET, but bigger)
12. Four blade vs five blade fan
13. Front crank pulley, no longer having the crank provision
14. New style key starter vs push button
(Some earlier models did not use push button - my 1958)

Aside from my updates, very accurate.
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Originally posted by jaybmiller jaybmiller wrote:

went to 12 volt...ring gear and starter have different # of teeth(don't ask HOW I KNOW that one....) but starters WITH a band near the end are 6 volt, NO band = 12 volt.



Yeah learned that one myself.......
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Thanks Everyone!
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Next question if anyone knows, was a there an operating instructions and parts illustrations manual that showed these changes. Can't find any manuals that go beyond Form TM-137C. Seems like there would be a newer manual showing at least some of the updates? 
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No, because there were no major changes to the tractor.  These are all minor things that did not require a different manual..
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I'm sure there was an operators manual with the Black Bar grill D-14 on the cover. Will check tomorrow. 
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If I am understanding right they made a factory 12 volt D14? I still have nightmares about stalling a d14 and hearing that six volt starter try unsuccessfully to start the engine. Nothing was worse than telling Dad I stalled it and needed a pull. Once in a while with a few prayers it would start when hot but most time not. The series II D15 on the other hand never failed me at anything. Tom 
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Originally posted by tomstractorsandtoys tomstractorsandtoys wrote:

If I am understanding right they made a factory 12 volt D14? I still have nightmares about stalling a d14 and hearing that six volt starter try unsuccessfully to start the engine. Nothing was worse than telling Dad I stalled it and needed a pull. Once in a while with a few prayers it would start when hot but most time not. The series II D15 on the other hand never failed me at anything. Tom 


yes, I didn't know until I bought mine (1960).  I had assumed it was converted to 12v, but found out the changed them over I think I was told lat 1959?  I was going by tractordata, it also said they didn't come with powersteering, but yep they did.  love them 6volts, better start in the first couple rounds or your done...lol
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Found this on ebay. Can't read the form number, but since I have an original white covered manual that has publication code 257969 and has the Label on the right edge reading: (Prior to Serial Number 19001), I'm thinking there was a such a manual published.



I'll be on the search for it. My Reproduction business goes online next month. So far I have the following ready, a special edition WD operator and parts illustrations manual FORM TM-9 E, a WD-45 operator and parts illustration manual FORM TM-85 D, a D-14 operator and parts illustrations manual combining all of the forms upto TM-137 C, dealers repair parts manual for wd and wd45 tractors dated 1955 and original dealers repair parts catalog for the D14 dated 1961. I also have a complete pdf version of the 2017 AGCO parts catalog (current parts numbers included) for each that will go along with the reproduction parts catalogs for free. 3/4 done with the WD and WD45, WD45 Diesel and D14 Service Manual. No funds at the moment, but I'll be searching for that late model d14 manual.



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I have the original white Operators manual.  Form TM-235
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is that the Late model d14 manual? 
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Late D-14  Serial 19,000 and up. Form # above.
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Originally posted by tomstractorsandtoys tomstractorsandtoys wrote:

If I am understanding right they made a factory 12 volt D14? I still have nightmares about stalling a d14 and hearing that six volt starter try unsuccessfully to start the engine. Nothing was worse than telling Dad I stalled it and needed a pull. Once in a while with a few prayers it would start when hot but most time not. The series II D15 on the other hand never failed me at anything. Tom 


Yes, one of the changes mentioned in this post - Over serial number 19001.  My 58 is volt.  My 59 is 12 volt.  Both unmolested originals.

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Good day - I have been following your posts about changes to 1959, 1960 D-14 tractors. I am looking for a D-14, either year, either fully restored or in good shape that I could have it restored.  I have been wondering about a number of things for those 2 years.  Was the D-14 decal, near the gas tank, in that location for both years? Was the grill black, with horizontal bars across it?  Were both those years essentially the same?  I am not sure from the posts if both years were 6 or 12 volt?
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D-14 12 volt started at tractor serial 19001, engine serial 149-19070

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Thank you so much - very helpful.  Would anyone happen to know of fully restored D-14 tractors?  1959 or 1960?  I have seen some beautiful tractors that others have restored.  I'd love to find one.
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