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    Posted: 22 Sep 2018 at 10:21pm
So got stage one done today. Picked up my operators, service and parts manuals for my newly acquired 1955 CA.
I see it says that the hydraulic system and final drives call for SAE 20 motor oil?

I would have thought it had hydraulic oil.

As far as the engine I am going to use Petro Canada Duron HP 15W40. When I looked at the data sheets I see it has higher zinc levels than Rotella.

My tractor also already had a WIX engine oil filter on it, so I just got another one of those, but the number has been superseded to 57011.

Am I on the right track or do you have any other suggestions? 
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Transmission/hydraulic system and final drives will use todays Universal Trans/Hydraulic fluid. No manufacturer went out and re-printed the 1950's Owners Manuals to reflect modern day lubricants. 20W non-detergent oil was best in 1955. Universal Trans/hyd oil is best today.
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So my final drives and hydraulics call for 20W above 45*F and 10W below that.

Now mind you these manuals are from 1955.


Petro Canada only makes a 10W and a Duron 30 Monograde. The 10W says
it works for hydraulics, and Cat and Allison transmissions.
The 30 does not specify this.

Do you think the 10W will be okay or should I look for a 20W from someone else?
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So Dr.Allis......so would this be any good? Or better to use than the monograde oil?


What about the Kubota Premium UDT I have for my Kubota?
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John Deere HyGard or Case IH HyTran  or AGCO 821 XL or AGCO PermaTran or their equivalent.

Edited by DrAllis - 22 Sep 2018 at 11:18pm
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When I opened their website and clicked on "OEM APPROVAL", it brought up a list of manufacturers fluids that it is compatible with. AC Power Fluid 821 was compatible, so the answer is yes, it is what DrAllis was talking about.
 
From prior threads on this forum, the experts are saying you can use it everywhere on the old AC tractors, except the engine.
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gee I used straight SAE30 for the engine and 'WallyWorld UTF (yellow rim ?)' oil for everything else in my CA as well as 4 D-14s......
sure makes it easy to member what goes where....and everyone was/is happy...

btw what part of ontario, I'm near Hamilton.
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OK thank's guys. I'm north of Sault Ste. Marie Jay.

I just wasn't sure, with it being an old wore machine if it was better to go back to the thicker monograde engine oils.

And I always have pails of Kubota UDT here, so that's why I was wondering if that was compatible also.
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Kubota UDT is an approved oil.
 

OEM Approvals

Case New Holland

  • MAT3540, MS-1209/MAT 3505, MS-1210/JIC-145/MAT 3506, MS-1230/CNH MAT 3509, ESN-M2C134-D/MAT 3525, MS-1207, MS-1206, MS-1205, MS-1204/JIC-185, B-6, B-5, JIC-144, JIC-143, FNHA-2-C-201.00, ESN-M2C134-A/B/C, ESN-M2C86-B/C, ESN-M2C53-A, ESN-M2C48-B – Suitable for Use

John Deere

  • JD J20C – Suitable for Use

White Farm (Oliver)

  • Q-1826, Hydraulic Transmission Fluid (HTF), Q-1802, Q-1766B, Q-1722, Q-1705 – Suitable for Use

Massey-Ferguson

  • M-1141, M-1135, M-1143, M-1145*, M-1129-A, M-1127-A/B, M-1110 – Suitable for Use

(*Note: For UTTO applications only. Do not use in STOU applications.)

AgCo / Deutz-Allis / Allis

  • Power Fluid 821XL, 272843, 257541, 246634 – Suitable for Use

ZF

  • ZF TE-ML 03, 03E, 05F, 6K, 06K, 21F – Suitable for Use

Kubota

  • UDT - Suitable for Use

Steiger

  • SEMS 17001 - Suitable for Use

Versatile

  • ESN-M2C134-D - Suitable for Use

Landini

  • Tractor II Hydraulic Fluid - Suitable for Use

Hesston-Fiat

  • Oliofiat Tutela Multi-F - Suitable for Use

Volvo

  • WB101 – Suitable for Use

API

  • API GL-4 (Manual Transmissions, Spiral Bevel Axles, and Hypoid gears inmoderate service) – Suitable for Use

Allison

  • Type C-4 and C3 – Suitable for Use

Caterpillar

  • TO-2 – Suitable for Use

Sundstrand

  • Hydrostatic Transmission Fluid – Suitable for Use

Plessey - Sundstrand

  • Suitable for Use

Dresser Construction Equipment Division

  • Transmission/Hydraulic Fluid – Suitable for Use

Clark Lift Truck Transmission Fluid

  • TA12, TA18, HR 600 – Suitable for Use

Parker / Abex / Denison

  • HF 0/1/2 - Suitable for Use

Eaton / Vickers

  • M-2950-S, 1-286-S – Suitable for Use
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Thank you all. Maybe I will just use my Kubota UDT then. That way there everything I have will be the same and I always stock it here.
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Originally posted by WF owner WF owner wrote:


Kubota UDT is an approved oil.
 
<h3>OEM Approvals</h3>

Case New Holland

  • MAT3540, MS-1209/MAT 3505, MS-1210/JIC-145/MAT 3506, MS-1230/CNH MAT 3509, ESN-M2C134-D/MAT 3525, MS-1207, MS-1206, MS-1205, MS-1204/JIC-185, B-6, B-5, JIC-144, JIC-143, FNHA-2-C-201.00, ESN-M2C134-A/B/C, ESN-M2C86-B/C, ESN-M2C53-A, ESN-M2C48-B – Suitable for Use

John Deere

  • JD J20C – Suitable for Use

White Farm (Oliver)

  • Q-1826, Hydraulic Transmission Fluid (HTF), Q-1802, Q-1766B, Q-1722, Q-1705 – Suitable for Use

Massey-Ferguson

  • M-1141, M-1135, M-1143, M-1145*, M-1129-A, M-1127-A/B, M-1110 – Suitable for Use

(*Note: For UTTO applications only. Do not use in STOU applications.)

AgCo / Deutz-Allis / Allis

  • Power Fluid 821XL, 272843, 257541, 246634 – Suitable for Use

ZF

  • ZF TE-ML 03, 03E, 05F, 6K, 06K, 21F – Suitable for Use

Kubota

  • UDT - Suitable for Use

Steiger

  • SEMS 17001 - Suitable for Use

Versatile

  • ESN-M2C134-D - Suitable for Use

Landini

  • Tractor II Hydraulic Fluid - Suitable for Use

Hesston-Fiat

  • Oliofiat Tutela Multi-F - Suitable for Use

Volvo

  • WB101 – Suitable for Use

API

  • API GL-4 (Manual Transmissions, Spiral Bevel Axles, and Hypoid gears inmoderate service) – Suitable for Use

Allison

  • Type C-4 and C3 – Suitable for Use

Caterpillar

  • TO-2 – Suitable for Use

Sundstrand

  • Hydrostatic Transmission Fluid – Suitable for Use

Plessey - Sundstrand

  • Suitable for Use

Dresser Construction Equipment Division

  • Transmission/Hydraulic Fluid – Suitable for Use

Clark Lift Truck Transmission Fluid

  • TA12, TA18, HR 600 – Suitable for Use

Parker / Abex / Denison

  • HF 0/1/2 - Suitable for Use

Eaton / Vickers

  • M-2950-S, 1-286-S – Suitable for Use
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I know this is 2 years old but thanks for the info, Matt 👍
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