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Topic: CA Oils

Posted By: 1955CA
Subject: CA Oils
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2018 at 10:21pm

So got stage one done today. Picked up my operators, service and parts manuals for my newly acquired 1955 CA.

I see it says that the hydraulic system and final drives call for SAE 20 motor oil?

I would have thought it had hydraulic oil.

As far as the engine I am going to use Petro Canada Duron HP 15W40. When I looked at the data sheets I see it has higher zinc levels than Rotella.

My tractor also already had a WIX engine oil filter on it, so I just got another one of those, but the number has been superseded to 57011.

Am I on the right track or do you have any other suggestions?

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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2018 at 10:26pm

Transmission/hydraulic system and final drives will use todays Universal Trans/Hydraulic fluid. No manufacturer went out and re-printed the 1950's Owners Manuals to reflect modern day lubricants. 20W non-detergent oil was best in 1955. Universal Trans/hyd oil is best today.

Posted By: 1955CA
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2018 at 10:36pm

So my final drives and hydraulics call for 20W above 45*F and 10W below that.

Now mind you these manuals are from 1955.

Petro Canada only makes a 10W and a Duron 30 Monograde. The 10W says
it works for hydraulics, and Cat and Allison transmissions.
The 30 does not specify this.

Do you think the 10W will be okay or should I look for a 20W from someone else?

Posted By: 1955CA
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2018 at 10:42pm

So Dr.Allis......so would this be any good? Or better to use than the monograde oil?

https://lubricants.petro-canada.com/en-CA/productoverview/brand/productline/DURATRAN-products" rel="nofollow - https://lubricants.petro-canada.com/en-CA/productoverview/brand/productline/DURATRAN-products

What about the Kubota Premium UDT I have for my Kubota?

Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2018 at 11:17pm

John Deere HyGard or Case IH HyTran or AGCO 821 XL or AGCO PermaTran or their equivalent.

Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 6:32am

When I opened their website and clicked on "OEM APPROVAL", it brought up a list of manufacturers fluids that it is compatible with. AC Power Fluid 821 was compatible, so the answer is yes, it is what DrAllis was talking about.

From prior threads on this forum, the experts are saying you can use it everywhere on the old AC tractors, except the engine.

Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 6:37am

gee I used straight SAE30 for the engine and 'WallyWorld UTF (yellow rim ?)' oil for everything else in my CA as well as 4 D-14s......

sure makes it easy to member what goes where....and everyone was/is happy...

btw what part of ontario, I'm near Hamilton.

Jay

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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor)

Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water

Posted By: 1955CA
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 10:41am

OK thank's guys. I'm north of Sault Ste. Marie Jay.

I just wasn't sure, with it being an old wore machine if it was better to go back to the thicker monograde engine oils.

And I always have pails of Kubota UDT here, so that's why I was wondering if that was compatible also.

Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 12:54pm

Kubota UDT is an approved oil.

OEM Approvals

Case New Holland

MAT3540, MS-1209/MAT 3505, MS-1210/JIC-145/MAT 3506, MS-1230/CNH MAT 3509, ESN-M2C134-D/MAT 3525, MS-1207, MS-1206, MS-1205, MS-1204/JIC-185, B-6, B-5, JIC-144, JIC-143, FNHA-2-C-201.00, ESN-M2C134-A/B/C, ESN-M2C86-B/C, ESN-M2C53-A, ESN-M2C48-B – Suitable for Use

John Deere

JD J20C – Suitable for Use

White Farm (Oliver)

Q-1826, Hydraulic Transmission Fluid (HTF), Q-1802, Q-1766B, Q-1722, Q-1705 – Suitable for Use

Massey-Ferguson

M-1141, M-1135, M-1143, M-1145*, M-1129-A, M-1127-A/B, M-1110 – Suitable for Use

(*Note: For UTTO applications only. Do not use in STOU applications.)

AgCo / Deutz-Allis / Allis

Power Fluid 821XL, 272843, 257541, 246634 – Suitable for Use

ZF TE-ML 03, 03E, 05F, 6K, 06K, 21F – Suitable for Use

Kubota

UDT - Suitable for Use

Steiger

SEMS 17001 - Suitable for Use

Versatile

ESN-M2C134-D - Suitable for Use

Landini

Tractor II Hydraulic Fluid - Suitable for Use

Hesston-Fiat

Oliofiat Tutela Multi-F - Suitable for Use

Volvo

WB101 – Suitable for Use

API

API GL-4 (Manual Transmissions, Spiral Bevel Axles, and Hypoid gears inmoderate service) – Suitable for Use

Allison

Type C-4 and C3 – Suitable for Use

Caterpillar

TO-2 – Suitable for Use

Sundstrand

Hydrostatic Transmission Fluid – Suitable for Use

Plessey - Sundstrand

Suitable for Use

Dresser Construction Equipment Division

Transmission/Hydraulic Fluid – Suitable for Use

Clark Lift Truck Transmission Fluid

TA12, TA18, HR 600 – Suitable for Use

Parker / Abex / Denison

HF 0/1/2 - Suitable for Use

Eaton / Vickers

M-2950-S, 1-286-S – Suitable for Use

Posted By: 1955CA
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 1:07pm

Thank you all. Maybe I will just use my Kubota UDT then. That way there everything I have will be the same and I always stock it here.

Posted By: Hunt4Allis
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2020 at 8:05am

WF owner wrote:

Kubota UDT is an approved oil.

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