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Buda 262 Gas & Diesel ????
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    Posted: 20 Dec 2017 at 4:01pm
I have been told the starter ring gear is different on the Buda 262 gas and Diesel engines. 
The Agco parts book confirms that information.
However I have a few questions concerning that.
#1 What is the reason for the differences ?
#2 can a diesel ring gear and starter be used on a gas motor?  
#2 The agco parts book lists Flywheel "assemblies" one for gas and one for diesel. But there is no flywheel listed.  I assume flywheel is the same for both ?
 
Clarification would be appreciated.
 
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don't know for sure but... maybe it's theh number of teeth ? more teeth for diesel, so slower to spin, cause  the compressions higher ??
I KNOW D-14 gas engines have 2 sets, one for 6V ,another for 12V..
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The reason for the differences is the diesel engine has to be cranked at a faster speed so it will start. You could use a diesel starter with its diesel ring gear flywheel on a gas engine BUT, the starter is physically LARGER and will probably interfere with the carburetor air plumbing. Also when you price a diesel starter, the gas starter is less expensive. Flywheel is the same for both gas and diesel. Buda never made a 262 engine. Allis-Chalmers made the G-262 and the D-262.
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Thanks DR.
The reason for my question is I have acquired a 262 gas engine that has no flywheel. And I have several 262 diesel parts tractors.
Silly me I just recently sold a short nose starter that came on an early D17 diesel. Grrrr, that would have probably worked perfect.
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Use the diesel flywheel and buy a gas starter ring.    MACK
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refresh my memory - what was the difference in the WD Vs D17 block besides oil filter and block/sleeve oring - The part# for the G230 and Wd crank were the same. Water pump on the block vs head on what models..
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Hey Mac
Just to clarify what you are saying.
 I can run a gas starter ring and a diesel starter ? 
 Will the teeth mesh correctly ?
 
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Tbran,  Series III and IV had the water pump on the block, earlier ones had it mounted on the head
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No, if you have a diesel flywheel, take starter ring off and put a gas starter ring on the diesel flywheel.        MACK
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Originally posted by MACK MACK wrote:

No, if you have a diesel flywheel, take starter ring off and put a gas starter ring on the diesel flywheel.        MACK
 
And then you'll need a gas starter too
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