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    Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 1:36pm
We receive a lot of calls on Auto Header Height issues on  F3 - R series  using the
3 springs switch  era .  To the last caller/ hope this helps as a diagnostic guide.  
 
1. Make sure brass rod on header switch is touching all 3
springs when header is up and bending them all at least
1/4" forward. When all the way down the springs would
be bent at least 1/4" rearward by the brass rod.  Make sure the rods and springs are not corroded and are capable of conducting current. Check for complete movement of sensor rod and fingers that rotate the control rod. These are the mechanical checks.


 2. Check for blown fuse on AHHC. Check for Voltage at
the three springs on header rocker switch. Key on,
engine NOT running, AHH switch on MED , both clutches
ON, click the down button on header height .

Connect test light ground to header and touch
probe to middle spring. IF no current go to connector
plug in for header. IF no current go to switch in cab
and check for power to three position switch from
orange wire. Correct any problems to get current to
three springs.  Three positions on the rotary dial sends

power to one of the individual springs.   However remember

IF the springs are all touching the brass bar on the plastic

switch it will send power to all three springs ...Check for individual 

spring current while the switch is in the dead zone - neither 

front or rear brass bar touching any spring.  

3. Current should now be present at the plug in for
the header.  The red wire has to have voltage to LOWER
the header; there must be a jumper on the combine
header harness to make BOTH header harness red wires
receive voltage - one red wire hot will not lower the header. 

 Check at the 4 pin disconnect  under
console for voltage on the red wires for lower and
rotate the switch down on the header  to raise position  to get  current on

the BLUE wire for RAISE.   Remember red lower/ blue raise (the 

sky is blue it is up)
  4. Finally if no auto height action is occurring,
check the Red or red/yellow and in some models ORANGE
wire for power to the MODULE itself.   The early series had

only 2 power inlets - the later ones would only turn on from power
from the orange wire from the header switch or the seat interlock module.

 5. Unplug the harness going to the header  - there will be

a ground - check to see it is grounded

it will be a black wire.  With the engine running and the

clutches on and the lower switch pressed - jump from the 

orange wire in the harness to the blue wire  - the unit 

should raise. Then jump voltage to the two red wires - the unit will

lower.  IF the header still does not raise or lower
 the module is bad.

 * Make sure header raises and lowers in the off
position on the AHHC switch.
* NOTE header will not lower if the oil pressure
switch is not providing continuity when engine is
running. Check for oil pressure and defective switch.

IF the header will raise very slowly the problem is in
the header valve and the 71321101 o ring has deteriorated and
allowed poppet to move with the seat.  This requires
removing the valve and overhauling with new o rings and
loctite   the seat in place.   

 

 

 

IF THE UNIT HAS A SEAT INTERLOCK (later R50  series and up) 

make sure the seat switch is connected  

and closed. If still it will not work -this is for the auto header control-

connect the module power orange wire to the orange and white header clutch wire and this will power the

switch - three position  and on some back feed the AHHC module. in mind if the seat module is totally bad - it will not let the un loader function.

if the un loader will not work -  it will have to have a relay installed with an on off switch.

or just replace the $eat module 71358611 R50  71363940 R52/62  etc,  Bypassing the seat interlock can cause a serious safety issue.

 



Edited by tbran - 09 Nov 2018 at 1:54pm
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We receive a lot of calls on Auto Header Height issues on  F3 - R series  using the
3 springs switch  era .  To the last caller/ hope this helps as a diagnostic guide.  
 
1. Make sure brass rod on header switch is touching all 3
springs when header is up and bending them all at least
1/4" forward. When all the way down the springs would
be bent at least 1/4" rearward by the brass rod.  Make sure the rods and springs are not corroded and are capable of conducting current. Check for complete movement of sensor rod and fingers that rotate the control rod. These are the mechanical checks.

 2. Check for blown fuse on AHHC. Check for Voltage at
the three springs on header rocker switch. Key on,
engine NOT running, AHH switch on MED , both clutches
ON, click the down button on header height .

Connect test light ground to header and touch
probe to middle spring. IF no current go to connector
plug in for header. IF no current go to switch in cab
and check for power to three position switch from
orange wire. Correct any problems to get current to
three springs.  Three positions on the rotary dial sends

power to one of the individual springs.   However remember

IF the springs are all touching the brass bar on the plastic

switch it will send power to all three springs ...Check for individual 

spring current while the switch is in the dead zone - neither 

front or rear brass bar touching any spring.  

3. Current should now be present at the plug in for
the header.  The red wire has to have voltage to LOWER
the header; there must be a jumper on the combine
header harness to make BOTH header harness red wires
receive voltage - one red wire hot will not lower the header. 

 Check at the 4 pin disconnect  under
console for voltage on the red wires for lower and
rotate the switch down on the header  to raise position  to get  current on

the BLUE wire for RAISE.   Remember red lower/ blue raise (the 

sky is blue it is up)
  4. Finally if no auto height action is occurring,
check the Red or red/yellow and in some models ORANGE
wire for power to the MODULE itself.   The early series had

only 2 power inlets - the later ones would only turn on from power
from the orange wire from the header switch or the seat interlock module.
 5. Unplug the harness going to the header  - there will be

a ground - check to see it is grounded

it will be a black wire.  With the engine running and the

clutches on and the lower switch pressed - jump from the 

orange wire in the harness to the blue wire  - the unit 

should raise. Then jump voltage to the two red wires - the unit will

lower.  IF the header still does not raise or lower
 the module is bad. 

 * Make sure header raises and lowers in the off
position on the AHHC switch.
* NOTE header will not lower if the oil pressure
switch is not providing continuity when engine is
running. Check for oil pressure and defective switch.

IF the header will raise very slowly the problem is in
the header valve and the 71321101 o ring has deteriorated and
allowed poppet to move with the seat.  This requires
removing the valve and overhauling with new o rings and
loctite   the seat in place.   
 

 

 

IF THE UNIT HAS A SEAT INTERLOCK (later R50  series and up) 

make sure the seat switch is connected  

and closed. If still it will not work -this is for the auto header control-

connect the module power orange wire to the orange and white header clutch wire and this will power the

switch - three position  and on some back feed the AHHC module. in mind if the seat module is totally bad - it will not let the un loader function.

if the un loader will not work -  it will have to have a relay installed with an on off switch.

or just replace the $eat module 71358611 R50  71363940 R52/62  etc,  Bypassing the seat interlock can cause a serious safety issue.


Edited by CAL(KS) - 09 Nov 2018 at 1:47pm
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tbran Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 1:55pm
Sorry guys for the choppy post of many colors - not very tech savvy on cleaning it up.
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Great info !! Another thing I have seen too often over the years...…...the six pin plug from the header to the throat is plugged in upside down !!!   Now, if the plastic plugs are in good condition (which they aren't any more) you can't do this, but like I say they will connect bass-ackwards when the plastic is all deteriorated.
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The most common  issue we run into is the wires BREAK INSIDE THE HARNESS right where the throat bends the harness as it raises and lowers.  One can remove the outer coating and start pulling on the wires - they will pull in two...breaking the coating.
 
We still see the unsealed module units pop up from time to time - these were a safety issue and were recalled..
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Yes Doc, hard to fix stupi....anyway..  the pn for the plastic cover for the plug in that comes apart is 71340683 - the white part deteriorates  normally - if someone plugs in backwards it happens sooner.
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Thanks to you guys that contibute to putting this post together. This is very valuable information as well a great diagnostic procedure, I will print this off and stick in our R-50 service manual. Thanks again Dave
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I also wanted to say thanks for compiling and sharing this information.  The AHHC on our F3 has been acting up in recent years and this will be a great tool to use for figuring things out.

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