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hunter321 ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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Both of the break rods are in hooked
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hunter321 ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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I'll get a better video
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 19716 |
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Have the hand clutch engaged/locked before you split the tractor to make it easier to roll it back together. The bent snap ring may be twisted back into shape (maybe) by using a bench vise. If that snap ring doesn't fit in the groove well, it may not stay put and you get to do this all over again. Lastly, the reason the original snap ring blew out of the groove may be because the groove is WORN, not being able to hold the snap ring well. Tack welding the ends of the snap ring to the groove would be a way to insure things stay in place and I don't give a rip about "welding" it making the two pieces unuseable. If the groove is worn out, welding the snap ring into the groove solves the problem. Make sure to vise grip the snap ring down tight into the groove before welding it.
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hunter321 ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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Ok.
Could you see from the video what could be causing the tractor to not split any further. Is the shaft that is holding the hand clutch supposed to come out |
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8075 |
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The clutch shaft can pull out of trans. Nothing holding it in place. The roller bearing inside will be fine unless cage is totally worn out then may fall apart. When going back together take that shaft and put it through hand clutch plates and into front pilot to get everything lined up then stick it back in trans. Lock foot clutch down so you can rotate hand clutch by hand while trying to slide trans back in place. Probably best to put trans in gear to hold shaft while turning hand clutch.
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hunter321 ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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Ok
So what would be causing me to not be able to split the tractor. Is it just how I have the jacks or the ground |
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hunter321 ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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How do I get the clutch shaft out so I can remove the hand clutch once I get it split enough. Also how do I unbolt the clutch without it spinning
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hunter321 ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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Where do I need to put a jacket to split the tractor easier from what you saw in the video
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hunter321 ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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hunter321 ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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Going to try working on it tomorrow
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 19716 |
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Need a jack directly under the PTO box. The tractor is trying to fall down into a heap without a jack to support the PTO box and forward, UNLESS your loader is raised up ????? Tractor has to be split probably 10 inches wide. Use two long dowels on the top and none on the bottom. Transmission MUST be in NEUTRAL.
Edited by DrAllis - 05 May 2024 at 6:04pm |
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WF owner ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 4445 |
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DON'T USE HI-LIFT (HANDYMAN) JACKS!!! They are very unstable.
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mdm1 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Onalaska, WI Points: 2605 |
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hunter show a pic or a video of how you have the tractor supported right now. I've only ever split a B and I used a cherry picker on the front so I could move the front in and out. Had the rear on other supports. How are you moving yours? Oh I won't trust the loader to much.
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Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK!
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hunter321 ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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What you saw in the video is what is supporting it. I don't have any jack under it currently
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WF owner ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 4445 |
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First, I have my doubts that you will be able to slide it apart without some sort of support on both ends.
In the event you can use something to pry it apart, you are going to have close to two tons of tractor that are going to try to fold in the middle. YOU NEED TO HAVE SOMEONE THAT HAS SOME KIND OF EXPERIENCE SUPERVISING YOU. THIS CAN AND WILL HURT YOU (OR WORSE)!!!
Edited by WF owner - 05 May 2024 at 7:56pm |
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hunter321 ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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So I should remove the 2 bolts I have on the bottom of the frame and put a floor jack under the PTO box
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 19716 |
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ABSOLUTELY get an easily adjusted jack under the PTO box FIRST !! I don't feel you NEED the two lower dowel bolts because they could be dragging causing you issues BUT you've got to support the PTO box area FIRST.
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hunter321 ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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Ok
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8075 |
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Get your bottle jack under the pto well placed so it cant kick out. You need a floor jack on a wide plank or heavy plywood under the snap coupler bell. YOU HAVE TO SUPPORT BOTH ENDS!!! When they are jacked evenly the rear half will roll away with the floor jack. You have to remove the brass shifting collar to get the clutch out. Use a long punch stuck it the clutch at the bolts to loosen bolts. You can take them out of clutch later being loose. The shaft going through the clutch has to be totally withdrawn to pull clutch out the top. That 10 inch split ballpark. The clutch shaft likes to stay in the clutch not the transmission and it MUST stay in trans to have room to pull clutch.
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hunter321 ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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Ok
Thanks. How do I use a floor jack to roll the rear end when I am splitting the tractor on grass and dirt. The jack doesn't rock very well |
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Les Kerf ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 08 May 2020 Location: Idaho Points: 692 |
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hunter321 ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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Ok.
I thought that meant I needed the board on top of the jack. That's on me for miss understanding what I was told sorry |
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WF owner ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 4445 |
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I really have bad feelings about you undertaking something like this, when you have no idea what you are doing or the possible repercussions, if something goes wrong. Can't you find someone that has split a tractor before to guide you?
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 19716 |
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I just hope the tractor is sitting on a level spot of real estate.
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WF owner ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 4445 |
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... and don't forget that, at some point you have to be able to align things to get it back together. Don't try to pull it together by pulling it with the bolts (threading it together).
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8075 |
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If you ever get that far.....when this tractor goes back together you have to push it together BY HAND!!! If it's lined up you can and if you can't IT'S NOT LINED UP !!! Forcing it together can damage parts. I get the feeling this point is gonna have to be repeated several times.
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Alberta Phil ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Alberta, Canada Points: 3679 |
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Trying to do what you are, without a hard surface to work on and no experience, and some proper equipment is a ticket to disaster. I would advise you to get someone with some experience at splitting a tractor to help you with this project. None of us on this forum want to see a bad ending to this!
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hunter321 ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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i thank you for all of your concern. my dad is helping me, together we split our oliver 1650 to replace one of the shift rails. my tractor is currently sitting exactly where we split the 1650.
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hunter321 ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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just wondering, are the videos helping you guy understand what I am doing
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hunter321 ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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tonight I am going to get a floor jack on a plank under the snap coupler bell housing and another under the pto housing. then I am going to remove the 2 bottom bolts and try to roll the tractor apart. if I am succesful I will let you know, if not I will let you know. does the brass shift collar come out with the shaft or after
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