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R.W 
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 Posted: 22 Mar 2011 at 4:05pm |
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Also for all of you that think its hard to get in the 1586 it aint no easy task to get in a 7060 either! You halfto lean down bend sideways get around the steering wheel and then sit down! The 1586 you just open the door grab the handle and pull yourself in and sit down!
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Orange Blood
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Posted: 22 Mar 2011 at 4:29pm |
 R.W wrote:
Also for all of you that think its hard to get in the 1586 it aint no easy task to get in a 7060 either! You halfto lean down bend sideways get around the steering wheel and then sit down! The 1586 you just open the door grab the handle and pull yourself in and sit down! |
That's the one thing I hate about the 7000 series, is getting in and out, and if you are a rider in one look out!!! The neighbor had a 1486 I think, cultivated in it a few summers for him, didn't really notice that much difference, never worked on one. I guess I have learned all the tricks on our 7060, cause I like working on them, when I have to.
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Lonn
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Posted: 22 Mar 2011 at 10:34pm |
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Only thing I don't like about getting in and out of my 7050 (remember the 7050 was built in 73' & 74') was the steps and there being no grab handle on the outside of the cab. They put the grab handle just inside the cab instead. The 7040,7060, and 7080 that came out in 74' put a grab handle on the outside and the black bellies had much better steps. When they did that I don't notice any problem with getting in and out, I can't get used to the doors on the 86 series IH.
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MI8050
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Posted: 23 Mar 2011 at 4:32am |
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Get on tractorhouse.com and see how many 88 series IH's there are. About 40 5088's for sale, about 20 plus 52's etc. and as far as 86 series, there were almost 100 1086's the other day. I love the AC tractors and own one myself but they didn't sell in very high numbers, the technology and reliability was definitely there though. 7080's and 8070's should have been spun slower they would have held up longer. DT466's/436's will lug, and the truck versions aren't just a bolt in....
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Lonn
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Posted: 23 Mar 2011 at 7:30am |
MI8050 wrote:
Get on tractorhouse.com and see how many 88 series IH's there are. About 40 5088's for sale, about 20 plus 52's etc. and as far as 86 series, there were almost 100 1086's the other day. I love the AC tractors and own one myself but they didn't sell in very high numbers, the technology and reliability was definitely there though. 7080's and 8070's should have been spun slower they would have held up longer. DT466's/436's will lug, and the truck versions aren't just a bolt in.... |
Case IH offered and still offers factory rebuilt engines and when I worked at the CaseIH dealer we sold several of them. I don't think Allis (under Deutz and later AGCO) offered a factory rebuilt engine that you just bolted right in with all the latest updates. That, once again thanks to AGCO and Deutz, put Allis at a disadvantage. along with the dealer and customer support. Deutz and AGCO hung the dealers out to dry. When i worked at the Allis dealer that was a big complaint. Deutz didn't offer good programs to sell equipment like Deere and CaseIH were. Deere had a bounty on Magnum trades giving the dealer a reward for each magnum they took in on trade for a new Deere. Deutz and AGCO were just duds.
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Lonn
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Posted: 23 Mar 2011 at 7:38am |
MikeB (SD) wrote:
Good comparison.
Per Nebraska tests
1586 IH 161.55HP@2500 RPM - 10.58 gal per hour - 79.0 db(A)
7060 AC 161.51HP@2300 RPM - 10.17 gal per hour - 77.5 db(A) Bwn Belly 7060 78.5
Also note that A-C, JD, and Case used multiple disc wet clutches while
IH, White Farm, and Ford choose a single disk dry clutch for their manual transmissions.
Deere and Allis offered powershift transmissions and over 50% of their customers ordered them that way.
My neighbors with lots of Iron Horse JD's use their 1586 as an auger tractors. I should not spout off as I never had the pleasure of owning or operating a 1586 or 2390 Case.
Case, Allis, and Deere also offered 180 hp tractors. I always wondered why IH didn't as I know they had the engine for it. Always made me skeptical that their powertrain was not strong enough.
Also in the above tests in would appear that John Deere won the fuel economy tests, but one always has to keep in mind that everything they tested at Nebraska got better fuel efficiency than their actual production tractors. I'm not saying they would cheat or anything wink wink> John Deere engineer's will concentrate on the fuel settings.
Cab visibility your right I like the IH, but the short wheel base gave them a terrible ride.
The John Deere Bostrum seat was so sweet with the hydraulic accumulators controling
the up down side to side for and aft movements. Also to bad A-C hid the throttle behind the steering wheel on the dash, they had the side console so right with the hundred series tractors. |
You have to post the hp hrs per gallon to get the real fuel economy to measure the actual work done with a given amount of fuel. Straight gallons per hr can change alot if the tractor is rated at 2200 engine RPM but runs the PTO at 1000 RPM and 1900 engine RPM then the next tractor is rated at 2200 engine RPM and the PTO speed is 1000 RPM at 2200 engine RPM. There will be a difference but there will also be a difference at how much available hp there will be hence the tractor running at 1900 RPM will take less fuel but do less work. Same with transmission speeds. HP HRS/Gal is the only accurate way to compare fuel economy.
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HagerAC
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Posted: 23 Mar 2011 at 9:07am |
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The truck versions are basically a bolt in but a few things have to be changed from the stock engine. I helped put a 466 out of a truck into a 1066 last summer. Not too difficult, and they are a dime a dozen as mentioned earlier.
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Posted: 25 Sep 2018 at 12:23am |
An old post, but I enjoyed reading through the replies. I spread manure with a 1586 for my neighbor and drive a 7060 black belly pd at my friend's once in a while.
Engine I would say the IH is better, starts better, I really think it is a bit quieter as well (both tractors have tall straight pipe) the 1586 oil pressure is barely out of the red, bad blow by and still keeps on going! Transmission I defenitely like the Allis better, better selection of gears. the 15 is too slow for anything in low range and there is too big of a jump in speed from 1st high to 2nd high! The TA slips The 7060 grinds when shifting until warmed up, I find the T handle easy to use Cab i think the 7060 is better, door is on the right way, better visibility back, not forward. The 15 hydrailic levers are better, but you need a 5lb hammer to disengage the pto! And you trip over the shifter lever getting in and out. I like having 2 doors on the 15 though! I prefer the dry clutch on the 15 over the wet clutch of the 7060. The 15 is easier to manuver, but is soooo bumpy to ride in. Brakes seem to be a horse apeice, Hydraulic remotes easier to hook up on the 7060. We use the 15 on the bagger every year for hay and corn and it seems like every 2 years the pto clutch goes out. Also you have to remove the starter on the 15 from inside the cab!!
I would take the 7060 any day, it is the overall better tractor
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Posted: 25 Sep 2018 at 1:06am |
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each time you throw that T/A up or down, put a dollar bill in a can in the cab. then you'll have nuff money to fix the T/A each time it goes out!
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DrAllis
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Posted: 25 Sep 2018 at 7:10am |
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Don't think a dollar is enuff any more.
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