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    Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 9:35am
I am reading Norm Swinford's AC book about the Fwd tractors.  The 5000, 6000, & 8000 series fwd notes and have a few questions.  

Q1. If I understand correctly, AC did not manufacture the 8000 fwd axles & drivelines?  If not AC, then what brand did build these items - was it Fiat?
Q2. When AC realized that the 7060 rear axle final drives used in the 8050 were acceptable for the 8070 fwd & 2wd tractors, then what differences are there between the 8050 & 8070 tractors?
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Company called SIGE made the 8000 front axle.  It was made in Italy, but I don't know if it was connected to Fiat.
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John Deere doesn't even make their front drive axles, as told by a former dealer.  Fiat supplied front drive axles for the 5000 and 6000 series.
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Originally posted by Russ-neia Russ-neia wrote:

Company called SIGE made the 8000 front axle.  It was made in Italy, but I don't know if it was connected to Fiat.


It was a privately held company.  They were very good people to work with.
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The 8070 and 8050 are close to the same machine. 8070 has a different injector pump and a balanced crankshaft, also had 3 hyd. valves in back where as most 8050's came with two ...
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Mark, do you know what became of SIGE?  What other companies did they supply axles for?  What other products did they manufacture?  It is becoming difficult and/or expensive to get some of the SIGE axle parts from AGCO.
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Beefier PD in 8070.Bigger radiator too I think.Books in the shop...I'm in the house. Bigger axles maybe? Mine are 4"
     Dual hyd std.Triple...option.Mine has only 2


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My 8050 also has four inch along with the 4 pinion rearend. Powershift in mine, forgot about that pd in 8070's
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I think Sige is or was a part of Deutz.
 As far as price of parts, any FWA no matter the color is out rages.  MACK
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When we owned an 8030 FWD I changed the crosses to greaseable type.Had to grind a little out of the joint so that the grease fitting did not hit when rotated.
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I thought the 7080 and 8070 shared final drives and rear ends, the final drives and axles were bigger on my 7080 but I guess I never paid attention to the 8070
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They used the same finals til ser#2662 on 2wd,then the 8070 used the same finals(width/ratio) as 8050. FWA used same as 8050 throughout.
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Ford used sige axles, Trev.
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Whats the name of the book? I thought Norm Swinford only had 2 or 3 AC books out
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