8000 Fwd design
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Topic: 8000 Fwd design
Posted By: Eric[IL]
Subject: 8000 Fwd design
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 9:35am
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I am reading Norm Swinford's AC book about the Fwd tractors. The 5000, 6000, & 8000 series fwd notes and have a few questions. Q1. If I understand correctly, AC did not manufacture the 8000 fwd axles & drivelines? If not AC, then what brand did build these items - was it Fiat? Q2. When AC realized that the 7060 rear axle final drives used in the 8050 were acceptable for the 8070 fwd & 2wd tractors, then what differences are there between the 8050 & 8070 tractors?
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Posted By: Russ-neia
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 10:16am
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Company called SIGE made the 8000 front axle. It was made in Italy, but I don't know if it was connected to Fiat. ------------- The innovators offer what others will imitate. |
Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 2:39pm
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John Deere doesn't even make their front drive axles, as told by a former dealer. Fiat supplied front drive axles for the 5000 and 6000 series. ------------- '49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '63 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080 |
Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 3:15pm
It was a privately held company. They were very good people to work with. ------------- Mark B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel, GTH-L Simplicity Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not. |
Russ-neia wrote:Posted By: Mike_426
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 9:02pm
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The 8070 and 8050 are close to the same machine. 8070 has a different injector pump and a balanced crankshaft, also had 3 hyd. valves in back where as most 8050's came with two ... ------------- G, 200, 8050 mfd, D17, 195 chainsaw, c-wide front |
Posted By: Russ-neia
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 9:13pm
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Mark, do you know what became of SIGE? What other companies did they supply axles for? What other products did they manufacture? It is becoming difficult and/or expensive to get some of the SIGE axle parts from AGCO. ------------- The innovators offer what others will imitate. |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 9:20pm
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Beefier PD in 8070.Bigger radiator too I think.Books in the shop...I'm in the house. Bigger axles maybe? Mine are 4"
Dual hyd std.Triple...option.Mine has only 2
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Posted By: Mike_426
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 9:23pm
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My 8050 also has four inch along with the 4 pinion rearend. Powershift in mine, forgot about that pd in 8070's ------------- G, 200, 8050 mfd, D17, 195 chainsaw, c-wide front |
Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 9:28pm
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I think Sige is or was a part of Deutz.
As far as price of parts, any FWA no matter the color is out rages. MACK
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Posted By: WD45
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 9:46pm
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When we owned an 8030 FWD I changed the crosses to greaseable type.Had to grind a little out of the joint so that the grease fitting did not hit when rotated.
------------- Fred Dunlop, G,B,CA, WC,WF, 3 WD45`s,gas, diesel and LP,U,D10 series III, D12,D14,D15 SERIES II,D17 Series IV in Gas and Diesel ,D19 GAS and D21,170 185,210 ,220 an I-600 8070 fwd, 716H and 1920H |
Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 10:10pm
| I thought the 7080 and 8070 shared final drives and rear ends, the final drives and axles were bigger on my 7080 but I guess I never paid attention to the 8070 |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 11:17pm
| They used the same finals til ser#2662 on 2wd,then the 8070 used the same finals(width/ratio) as 8050. FWA used same as 8050 throughout. |
Posted By: TREVMAN
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2011 at 6:26pm
| Ford used sige axles, Trev. |
Posted By: Daehler
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2011 at 4:18pm
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Whats the name of the book? I thought Norm Swinford only had 2 or 3 AC books out ------------- 8070FWA,7080 BlackBelly, 7045,2 200s,D19,D17,G, WD,45,UC,7 AC mowers and lots more! "IT TAKES 3 JD's TO OUT DO AN ALLIS, 2 TO MATCH IT IN THE FIELD AND 1 FOR PARTS!" |