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7010 slippage. Power director or torque limiter |
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bleeds orange ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2012 Location: mt. vision, ny Points: 692 |
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I have noticed using my 1980 7010 power director for 4 hrs straight disking when heading home up hill 4 high fast it acts like a truck does when the clutch is worn and slipping. Push button on floor for slow does it also but not as bad. In field disking in 3 low fast up a hill it seems fine.
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8509 |
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Fluid levels and then pressure check?
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bleeds orange ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2012 Location: mt. vision, ny Points: 692 |
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Fluid good.
Will check pressure |
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Lonn ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Назарово,Russia Points: 29792 |
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do you lose hydraulics when it slips?
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bleeds orange ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2012 Location: mt. vision, ny Points: 692 |
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Yes everything works as it should.
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bleeds orange ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2012 Location: mt. vision, ny Points: 692 |
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Sorry I mean no I do not lose Hydraulics. Everything works as it should
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21426 |
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Next time it slips stand on the brakes HARD and make the tractor stop moving. If your power steering quits......it is the torque limiter slipping.
This must be done at full throttle.
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bleeds orange ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2012 Location: mt. vision, ny Points: 692 |
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Ok thanks doc.
Is there other possibilities? I'm thinking it is the torque limiter |
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21426 |
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Look under the bellhousing and see if it is dripping any oil.
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bleeds orange ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2012 Location: mt. vision, ny Points: 692 |
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Hey doc. So I did more disking tonight and on my way home going up hill in 4th high button on floor in fast side it was slipping again so I did the best I could without crashing I was heavy on throttle and stepped on brakes and wiggled steering wheel back and forth and the steering still worked.
Under bell housing has some oily moisture, cant tell if its motor oil or hydraulic. Definitely no drip |
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MACK ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 2009 Points: 7664 |
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You have to completely stop the tractor to test steering. MACK
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bleeds orange ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2012 Location: mt. vision, ny Points: 692 |
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Ok. I was gonna ask last night but didn't want to come off as dumb.
So push full throttle going up hill when it acts up clutch in step on brakes and come to a complete stop and try to steer as I come to stop? |
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8509 |
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....yes because the tq limiter drives everything. If PD was slipping when travel stalled the hyd pump would still work and P/str & hydraulis would function. If limiter slips at travel stall,you are not turning hyd pump so no pwr str or hyd function
Keep your foot off the clutch pedal,STOMP the brakes(hang on) and stop fwd travel,then see if you can turn str wheel. HAVE TO BE STOPPED TO TEST
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21426 |
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Just as my post described …" stand on the brakes HARD and make the tractor stop moving"...….
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8509 |
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...and you are correct....sometimes it helps to draw a picture for the inexperienced
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bleeds orange ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2012 Location: mt. vision, ny Points: 692 |
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If everyone was so experienced in orange equipment as SteveM is then maybe the forum wouldn't exist.
Thanks for help doc and mack. Yeah a little more detail does help. I just assumed if I was full throttle in tractor and stood on the brakes it would stall and of course nothing would work because tractor died. Thanks cory |
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FREEDGUY ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2017 Location: South West Mich Points: 5396 |
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I have a feeling that the engine won't stall because something is slipping to cause your original issue?? Does the engine rev up during your "slippage? Sadly, I might be one of those that need a drawing, but I "think" this one I may be on the right track with the engine dying?? Those are sharp looking tractors BTW,hope you can resolve the issue :-)
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bleeds orange ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2012 Location: mt. vision, ny Points: 692 |
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The engine rpms seem to stay the same maybe go higher a little . It just acts like someone pushed the clutch pedal in as I'm disking. If that helps
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21426 |
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Check the oil level on the dipstick under the seat with the tractor sitting on the level and after sitting overnite. Check BOTH SIDES of the dipstick. By your own description you just wrote.... " It just acts like someone pushed the clutch pedal in as I'm discing". So, did the power steering still work while this episode occurred ?????? The correct answer to that question is key to a proper diagnosis.
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8509 |
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I'm not that experienced....just been reading here for years. Doc,MACK,Lynn,Tbran....those guys have the experience
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Lonn ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Назарово,Russia Points: 29792 |
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So have you stepped on the brakes to stop forward travel yet? What did you find out?Hydraulics work or not?
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bleeds orange ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2012 Location: mt. vision, ny Points: 692 |
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Not yet. Getting moldboards ready today
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bleeds orange ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2012 Location: mt. vision, ny Points: 692 |
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2300 rpm in field with plows up I stand on brakes to bring tractor to a halt and power steering does not work.
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Lonn ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Назарово,Russia Points: 29792 |
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torque limiter
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bleeds orange ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2012 Location: mt. vision, ny Points: 692 |
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Get new clutc disk ,belleville washer check rear main seal and what else?
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Lonn ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Назарово,Russia Points: 29792 |
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machine flywheel for sure and new pressure plate
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bleeds orange ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2012 Location: mt. vision, ny Points: 692 |
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Yes obviously flywheel forgot.
I tried looking up the pressure plat on agco books got the part number but when I google a new the oem part numbers dont match. 23 spline 12" with 4 pads or with 6 pads? It's not a 20 spline correct? |
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