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Gunn 
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Posted: 12 Mar 2021 at 7:10pm |
After owning this tractor for almost 18 years, I'm finally upgrading the 3-point hitch, using a heavy duty conversion kit purchased from OkTractor ( http://oktractor.com/zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_22_200&products_id=480). The issue I'm having is mounting the sway block it uses. Something is not right with the parts from my tractor.
See photos. I can't figure out how to mount it. It seems that maybe that one part is not an original for my D-15, it has a different shape than in the parts manual...mine seems too wide for this sway block to fit over. Can anyone tell me what Allis tractor this may have come from? It doesn't look like it was hacked or re-welding or anything, so I think it's an original part...just maybe not for my D-15. Or maybe I'm just not figuring out how this sway block attaches?
There were no instructions with the conversion kit...
Thanks,
Tom
Edited by Gunn - 12 Mar 2021 at 8:17pm
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Gunn
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Posted: 12 Mar 2021 at 7:20pm |
Well...maybe the parts that were on my tractor are OK and are indeed factory.
This is my setup and is listed for D-14, D-15 and D-17 tractors. Now...I hope I didn't purchase the wrong kit...will this sway block fit somehow? Maybe I'm just not seeing how it goes together!
Tom
Edited by Gunn - 12 Mar 2021 at 7:21pm
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DrAllis
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Posted: 12 Mar 2021 at 7:36pm |
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I think you have parts for an early D-14 and early D-17. Later models had a wider bail like yours and like ALL D-15's had.
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Posted: 12 Mar 2021 at 8:04pm |
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Looks like it is made for early and late style both. Bolts to draw bar bail. MACK
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Posted: 13 Mar 2021 at 7:11am |
I know....there's TWO different drawbar setups... regular and heavy duty. I have both, sitting on shelf as I never use drawbars. OK should have provide written instructions or a 'link' though....
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Posted: 13 Mar 2021 at 7:30am |
On the original post, I'm seeing two different hitches. Which one is yours?
The hitch you purchased likely was made by Cross Manufacturing. If so.....this may help.
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Posted: 13 Mar 2021 at 8:41am |
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Take the bolts out of the tabs on the sway block and see if the block will fit over the wide part of the bail (hourglass shaped part) and then reinstall the bolts. They don't bolt to anything on the tractor, the bolts just keep the sway block from coming off. It took me a while to figure this out with the Cross hitch I bought for my WD45.
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Posted: 13 Mar 2021 at 8:33pm |
 jaybmiller wrote:
I know....there's TWO different drawbar setups... regular and heavy duty. I have both, sitting on shelf as I never use drawbars. OK should have provide written instructions or a 'link' though....
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Thanks, that's good to know. So I'm guessing mine is the heavy duty drawbar setup?
The webpage on the OKTractor website is in need of updating. Need more photos, need larger, better quality photos. And the exceptions...apparently like mine. 
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Gunn
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Posted: 13 Mar 2021 at 8:55pm |
modirt wrote:
On the original post, I'm seeing two different hitches. Which one is yours?
The hitch you purchased likely was made by Cross Manufacturing. If so.....this may help.
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The original post shows just two different photos of the same thing on the garage floor. The first looking from the rear, pointing forward. The second looking at it from the left side, facing right. The third is just a photo of my parts diagram manual. Note that a previous owner took an acetylene torch to a few inches of the end of the draw bar. 
But yes, I have found that the hitch is made by Cross Manufacturing. And thanks for the link, very interesting. Fantastic writeup. I see you mentioned back in 10/23/2018 that there are four drawbar options for the tractor. Sheesh.
So as you can see, my drawbar hanger is just plain different. It's wider. So as can be seen in this photo, it's about just as wide as the Cross Mfg. sway block that came with the kit. No way it will slip over.
It looks like this sway block can be had for $50.00 alone, so I don't feel too bad that I can't use it. But now I need to figure out an alternative for sway control (which my old setup didn't have either, drove me crazy).
So the one thing I couldn't figure out is...which drawbar do I have? My tractor is a '61 D-15 Hi-crop, if that makes a difference.
Sway block no-go:
Thanks everyone!
Tom
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Posted: 14 Mar 2021 at 8:02am |
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Why not just weld flat bar to the side of the bell for sway control
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Posted: 14 Mar 2021 at 8:17am |
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I'm trying to figure out what the piece with your thumb on it is for ?
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Posted: 14 Mar 2021 at 11:01am |
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Looking at your picture I wonder if you got sent the wrong hitch? There doesn't even seem to be room for the sway block between the lift arms.
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Posted: 14 Mar 2021 at 11:25am |
jaybmiller wrote:
I'm trying to figure out what the piece with your thumb on it is for ?
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It is supposed to just slip over the drawbar hanger. But as you can see my draw bar guide hanger is a different shape. The sides on the one in the photo above are straight; the hanger on mine has a curve to the sides to make it kick out wider.
So I'm thinking that maybe with my wider hanger, I'll have the sway control I need already. So I think I just need to install the setup (without the sway block) and see how it works out. And then see if I need to do anything more.
Tom
Edited by Gunn - 14 Mar 2021 at 11:27am
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Posted: 14 Mar 2021 at 11:32am |
Ok, went to the website, the othe rpicture(kinda from the front right ) showed me HOW it gets used... to me ,you've got one of the 'heavy duty' drawbar setup not the 'regular' one. If the boarder was open ,you could have one of mine. One option is to just make up one or cut/hack/weld what you have to make it fit.
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Posted: 14 Mar 2021 at 2:31pm |
Looking at your pieces, and looking at my pieces, the hanger thingy appears to be called a "drawbar guide assembly" and in the parts book, both the snap coupler and base hitch versions do not show the bell or hourglass assembly as yours does, nor is it similar to the heavy duty hitch for rice tractors. So whatever yours is, does not seem to be for a D15. What I have is similar to item 4 in the parts book diagram in your first post.
So yes, the sway block assembly you have appears to be made to drop over this actual piece. You could find one off a parts tractor, or Cross makes and sells those too. That is where mine came from. Cross is not easy to deal with directly from a distance, however, so you may want to get that from OK Tractor too.
Cross also sells a replacement drawbar if you don't like the shorter one you have now.
BTW, the lift arms (lugs) you have are far heavier than the factory 3 point arms that came with the D15. About 3X heavier.
One of the things that could go wrong in installing this setup is the need to drill a hole in the draw bar to mount the 3 point arm cross. That is kind of a trial and error process. There is probably an optimum place to put the hole so position the forward pins of the 3 point arms in the right place, but I can't tell you where that is.
That to me is also the weak link in this setup. That one bolt, which is about a 3/4" diameter, is taking all the pull force of the forward end of the 3 point arms. But perhaps that makes it no different that a 3/4" hitch pin and those pull as much as the tractor can?
Edited by modirt - 14 Mar 2021 at 2:41pm
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Posted: 14 Mar 2021 at 4:43pm |
Why not just weld flat bar to the side of the bell for sway control
Im with Corel... you dont even need that extra piece you got your thumb on
Edited by steve(ill) - 14 Mar 2021 at 4:43pm
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Posted: 15 Mar 2021 at 8:47am |
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With that wide Bail, will the 3 point lift arms even go In close enough together to hook up to a standard 3 point implement , looks like it will be close and if it does hook up, are the arms going to hang up on the wide bail every time you raise the implement?
I agree that sway bar will not work with your set up, it looks like one I have on my D17, my D14 has the narrow bail that would probably work with that sway bar.
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Posted: 15 Mar 2021 at 4:35pm |
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The drawbars pictured are not the optional Heavy Duty drawbar for 14's, 15's.
The drawbar with the narrow / straight bail came out on the early D-14.
Later on, beginning at Serial 19001 ( along with 12 volt electrical) the wider V shaped bail was introduced.
The same wider bail was used on all D-15's.
Regarding the picture from the Parts Catalog, you will see the bail, item 4 has 2 P/N. 232074 is the later one, same P/N on D-15.
That same picture is used in D-15 Part's Catalog, with the narrow bail, even though all D-15's had the wide bail.
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