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Kamikaze_Emu 
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Posted: 15 May 2022 at 3:00pm |
I am super new to tractors and I am looking to purchase something to help me with grading, back filling, etc during a house build, and then snow clearing and other misc. tasks on a few acres once the house is complete.
I found a D14 in my area, however in the ad the seller notes that the tractor has a 3 pt hitch, but without arms.
This is a photo of the rear of the tractor.
What parts would I need to get so I could use a grader blade or a snowblower? Is it even possible? Without the arms in place would the hydraulics for lift be present on the hitch/tractor as is or would I need to run additional hydraulics?
Thanks!
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PaulB
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Posted: 15 May 2022 at 3:36pm |
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A D14 never had a 3pt from the factory. You have the snap couple lift latches. You can get an adapter that connects to the snap coupler.
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 15 May 2022 at 4:14pm |
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I have 3 of the 'Snap-Coupler to 3PT adapters here near Hamilton,On. where abouts are you ?
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Kamikaze_Emu
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Posted: 15 May 2022 at 4:33pm |
 jaybmiller wrote:
I have 3 of the 'Snap-Coupler to 3PT adapters here near Hamilton,On. where abouts are you ?
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I am near Ottawa.
If I purchased the tractor I would be interested in the conversion kit.
What are you selling them for?
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 15 May 2022 at 4:40pm |
wife would toss it in if you bought a D-14 off me..... ...so gotta think up a price...yer 5.5 hrs away... Jay
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Kamikaze_Emu
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Posted: 15 May 2022 at 4:46pm |
PaulB wrote:
A D14 never had a 3pt from the factory. You have the snap couple lift latches. You can get an adapter that connects to the snap coupler. |
Amazing, thanks.
With the proper terminology I was able to do some searching and the whole situation is a lot more clear now.
Thanks again.
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Posted: 15 May 2022 at 5:36pm |
jaybmiller wrote:
wife would toss it in if you bought a D-14 off me..... ...so gotta think up a price...yer 5.5 hrs away... Jay
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The float fees on the tractor would probably make me cry. It is too bad you aren't closer, I wouldn't hesitate to come take a look at one of yours.
I was looking at some 3 point conversions and it looks like the draw bar on the tractor isn't the standard one and there are some extra bits of metal below the PTO near the bar. I'm wondering if that might cause me issues with the conversion kit.
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Posted: 15 May 2022 at 6:23pm |
Yes, that draw bar is homemade... I have 2 or 3 real ones collecting rust, er ,dust, here. When I removed the loader from 'Troy', I made a 'carry-all' which has a 2" receiver on it. I put a sleeve in ( 2" ball for trailer tugging, empty to use as a drawbar ). carry-all has removable (ugh..) 5000# forklift forks on it. Will take pictures of the 'adapter' tomorrow,hopefully after I 'acquire' several loads of 'ponypoop'.
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Posted: 15 May 2022 at 6:37pm |
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The seller is ignorant. It is NOT or ever was a 3-point hitch. There is no top link connection !! It doesn't even have a regulation snap-coupler drawbar. Do the lift arms even go up and down ??
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Posted: 15 May 2022 at 6:42pm |
Looks like some crude torch work on the home-built drawbar. I would check the tractor over very carefully before buying it.
Make sure it doesn't jump out of either second or third gear. Transmission repairs are very expensive.
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 15 May 2022 at 7:00pm |
there are a couple different "generic" designs for 3 point adaptors for the ALLIS tractors.
The first is a VEE shaped lower arms with the bail built into the end that replaces your present drawbar... and two arms that connect up to your lift arms... you still need a TOP LINK for the 3 point.
Second type is a bracket that bolts to the tractor / drawbar and then has two individual lower links that pin to it... and again two arms that connect to your lift arms.
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Posted: 15 May 2022 at 7:09pm |
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The second (lower) picture requires the OEM drawbar bail, which this tractor doesn't have.
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Posted: 15 May 2022 at 7:20pm |
steve(ill) wrote:
there are a couple different "generic" designs for 3 point adaptors for the ALLIS tractors.
The first is a VEE shaped lower arms with the bail built into the end that replaces your present drawbar... and two arms that connect up to your lift arms... you still need a TOP LINK for the 3 point.
Second type is a bracket that bolts to the tractor / drawbar and then has two individual lower links that pin to it... and again two arms that connect to your lift arms.
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Thanks for that. I was looking at kits and the second style I could find in my area, but thanks to your info I realize it isn't going to work. If I went with the VEE shaped kit would that include everything I need to get me to the point where I could use standard 3 point hitch accessories?
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Posted: 15 May 2022 at 7:21pm |
WF owner wrote:
Looks like some crude torch work on the home-built drawbar. I would check the tractor over very carefully before buying it.
Make sure it doesn't jump out of either second or third gear. Transmission repairs are very expensive. |
Sounds good, thanks.
Is there a handy used buyers guide kicking around anywhere for me to reference?
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Posted: 15 May 2022 at 8:34pm |
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You can build a 3pt hit kit, it's not hard. I built the one on my D17 so if I can do it anybody can do it!
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Posted: 15 May 2022 at 8:35pm |
Kamikaze_Emu wrote:
WF owner wrote:
Looks like some crude torch work on the home-built drawbar. I would check the tractor over very carefully before buying it.
Make sure it doesn't jump out of either second or third gear. Transmission repairs are very expensive. |
Sounds good, thanks.
Is there a handy used buyers guide kicking around anywhere for me to reference?
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This is the place for your used buyer's guide. There is a lot of knowledge here. I personally have 3 D14s and absolutely love them. Unfortunately, AC was late joining the 3 point hitch game. The D15 (which succeeded the D14) had a 3 point as an option, but was pretty flimsy. For a good rugged 3 point hitch set up, you would want a Series 4 D17 - a considerably larger and more expensive tractor.
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Posted: 15 May 2022 at 8:58pm |
If I went with the VEE shaped kit would that include everything I need to get me to the point where I could use standard 3 point hitch accessories?
Jason.. you want a 3 POINT HITCH.. look at the picture and you can see the lower two arms that are lifted by your UPPER HYDRAULIC arms on the tractor... You are STILL MISSING the upper link or the 3RD ARM for the 3 POINT... that is normally an adjustable link that is attached to a BRACKET above the pto housing near the back of the seat.. Couple different ways to "make that".
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Posted: 15 May 2022 at 9:05pm |
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Posted: 16 May 2022 at 7:18am |
I have a CNC version of the '3 holed top link bracket' here,well 3 really.... Also a snap coupler read blade, wife says I don't need....a 3 furrow plow, wife says I don't need, a 5' rototiller, wife says I don't need, a ?-version subsoiler, the wife says I don't need, a 9 tooth cultivator, wife says i don't need and of course 3 D-14s, yes, the wife says I don't need....
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Posted: 16 May 2022 at 9:09am |
Jason... i think its time to start calling Jay... Daddy... and maybe he will adopt you !! 
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Posted: 16 May 2022 at 9:31am |
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I have a Cross Manufactured 3 point on my 52 CA, Cross is out of Mindenmine Mo. I do have motor side weights on it, I hook a 5 foot bush hog,box blade ,scraper blade and a 50 gallon boom sprayer, not once has the front end left the ground, it does get noticably easier to steer until the sprayer has used about 1/3 of the contents,but even full the wheels have never left the ground.
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