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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote IBWD MIke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jan 2021 at 11:03am
Originally posted by Sugarmaker Sugarmaker wrote:

55,
 Sorry I missed that. I didnt read down in the add far enough. I have had reall good service from them too. When I messed up my WD45 hood name decals they sent me a new set before I even paid for them!
There is a technique to applying the decals too. I would have to go back and look at some pictures because I am old and have CRS! I believe mine were the vinyl decals. 
I think you want the ones with the white background.

Regards, 
Chris

I thought having CRS, cold rolled steel was a good thing. I keep a supply around here for repairs that pop up. Or did you mean Can't Remember S***? I'm guessing the later, seam to have plenty of that too!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 55allis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jan 2021 at 9:46am
I took the manifold off and broke a stud which luckily it just broke the threads on the end off.
I also got some Persian #1 paint and also Hardener/Catalyst for hardener from Van Syckle.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 55allis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2021 at 9:41pm
Have it about ready to paint but still haven’t figured out a way to have it on a stand for painting with the tires/rims and frame rails off.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote plummerscarin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2021 at 10:04pm
Maybe try drilling and bolting channel iron to the bell housing like I did? The part you miss painting could be touched afterwards and covered by the frame rails anyway.The final drives are on jackstands now. Move them out to the hubs for paint.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 55allis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Apr 2021 at 2:09pm
I finally got a chance to work on it the other day and ended up taking a car stand and putting it under the angle iron that is under the engine on the front. I got both frame rails and the front wheels off.
As I was talking to my cousin, we got talking about getting front mud scrapers that they was a rare option from the factory?
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I found the “mud scrapers“ in a local barn.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 55allis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2021 at 10:56pm
Does anyone have a opinion about self etching primer?
I’ve never really have tried it on anything to know if it’s worth the time and money.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AC720Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 May 2021 at 10:39am
I use self etching primer on all of mine followed by gray primer. Seals the metal to prevent rust. I have been very pleased with the results.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 55allis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 May 2021 at 11:41pm
I might than put it on everything I sandblasted.
For a update on the tractor, I got the one tire off to get the rim welded on,
I also got a picture of it down below.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ac hunter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 May 2021 at 7:17am
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     Just be very careful when you are working on that tractor with the wheels off / disassembled. I always thought the ones I worked on that way were top heavy and kind of clumsy to handle. Wouldn't want a mishap. Looks like you are making good progress.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Alberta Phil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 May 2021 at 10:06am
I'll second AC hunter's comment about safety.  I notice you are using concrete blocks to support the tractor.  And they are set  in the weakest orientation to bear weight.  They are a disaster waiting to happen as they can suddenly break with no warning.  There have been guys badly injured or killed due to this happening.  I would highly recommend that you get some solid wood blocking or heavy duty axle stands to support your tractor!!
We want to be able to see the progress on this project continue!
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I do have a safety stand under where the drawbar goes.
I also taped/painted up the hydraulic hoses to the snap coupler rams
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sugarmaker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 May 2021 at 7:26am
I built a frame for the back of the tractor to support it where the rock shaft attaches. I must say you need to be very careful with these perched on blocks. As others have mentioned wooden blocking is safer and steel members bolted to the tractor frame or structure are safer. We just want you around for a long time!:)
Lots of moves to make on your WD. Keep going!
Here is a shot of my support system. Frame in back and steel saw horse in front.  Any time your lifting any or moving it it can shift and move.

Here is a shot where I was going to do the final painting so the second steel saw horse went under the rear end. the frame came off and I set the rear down on two bolts threaded into the underside. then set this down on the bolts. At this point it could still tip and get out of balance. Use caution!

 Regards,
 Chris


Edited by Sugarmaker - 13 May 2021 at 7:28am
D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump.
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I got it mostly primed but now I’m stuck waiting for the humidity to go down. It has been raining about every night just enough to keep the humidity up.
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Looking real good! Thanks for the update!
 Regards,
 Chris
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Today I got it painted and I love it!!!

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     Looks shiny. Bet you can't wait to get it assembled. Keep up the good work and pictures.
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Got a question, where to get oil pressure gauges that are just like the original? I ordered one from tractorpartsASAP.com and it is NOT ANY WHERE CLOSE to the original.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sugarmaker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 May 2021 at 8:07am
Looking good on the paint! Yes your going to like the look! New gauges do leave something to be desired. Not sure there are any better ones?? Maybe some one knows more about these than me. Your doing good on the WD!
Regards,
 Chris
D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump.
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Looking incredible! I got my new oil gauge from Steiner but didn't take a pic before it was installed. Will try to remember to take a pic.

I did get my new temp gauge from AGCO as I felt the aftermarket ones didn't quite look right.


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I got all brand new knobs and gauges other than that oil pressure gauge they look like original. I will try to get a picture of the tractor later.
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Pictures as I promised.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 55allis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 May 2021 at 7:14am
Does anyone know what this spring goes to? It fell off onto the floor when I took the frame rail off. I put a spark plug (only thing I could get my hand on at the time) beside it for sizing.

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Throttle return spring. Not sure 'return' is the exact right term. It makes the throttle stay where set.
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Throttle compensating spring maybe ?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SteveM C/IL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 May 2021 at 9:08am
Not a return....throttle won't stay open without it. After adding D17 gov spring to 45 it needed two of those to stay at high idle.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JTOOL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 May 2021 at 12:01pm
Maybe brake pedal return spring? Mine fell off when I removed the drivers side frame rail to replace the bolster on my WD45.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 55allis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 May 2021 at 11:20pm
I got both brake return springs on and there is a hook on the throttle linkage so might go to that.
Yesterday I picked up two Allis Chalmers 6’ or 7’ snap coupler sickle mowers which looks very sad. I think I will part one out to get one going.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ac45dave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 May 2021 at 8:03am
Originally posted by 55allis 55allis wrote:

Does anyone know what this spring goes to? It fell off onto the floor when I took the frame rail off. I put a spark plug (only thing I could get my hand on at the time) beside it for sizing.
                          
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AC720Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 May 2021 at 8:32pm
Just replaced Dads series II D15 temp gauge with an Agco gauge made in the USA. 3 times the price of the knock offs but it looks just like the original. I have heard the Heritage gauges are pretty close but I have never tried one. Do not waste your money on a knock off, you will be disappointed. Trust me, I know, I ordered one and immediately sent it back at my cost.
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