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1938 Allis Chalmers WC Speed Mantainer Grader!

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    Posted: 15 May 2019 at 11:16am
Hello everyone! I'm Alan, from Argentina. I've bought an Allis Chalmers Grader yesterday, and i'm wanting to "restore" it to take it back to life. I don't know much about it, cause i didn't have time to read the original plates to see the year of manufacturing and model of it. I took some pictures, so if any of you can give me some advice or info about it, i would be very gratefull!!
Also i'm afraid that some part is missing in the Wayco distributor, does anyone has a photo of a similar one?? i've been looking in the internet but i can't find the same one...

Thank you very much in advace!!!











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Built on wc tractor chassis.  If the rear wheels are original i would say early 1938 as it is the unstyled version.  Did you mean  WICO magneto?  unless it has a special magneto from south america  they are very common  here in the usa
Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD10W,HD16

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Originally posted by CAL(KS) CAL(KS) wrote:

Built on wc tractor chassis.  If the rear wheels are original i would say early 1938 as it is the unstyled version.  Did you mean  WICO magneto?  unless it has a special magneto from south america  they are very common  here in the usa
Hi Cal!! Thank you for your quick responde!! Yes, i think is a wico Magneto, i did a quick look yesterday night as it was too late and can not remember exactly. I believe the cap is missing cause it has no distributor.  I would like to run it this weekend but without this i find it impossible CrySleepy

edit: The missing cap is something like this?? (i found the photo on ebay)




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many different 4 cylinder models of magnetos could work as long as the impulse angle and rotation are corrrect.  i dont know the specs myself but someone will post here for you. good luck
  as far as i know most of the ones here in the usa used Fairbanks Morse  Or FM  mags


Edited by CAL(KS) - 15 May 2019 at 2:19pm
Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD10W,HD16

Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, R62, R72 HD15
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Steve at B&B should be able to help you if parts are available 
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Hi!! It seem to be a 1938 as you said!!! It has a series A WICO Mag, but as i mentioned, the distributor cap is missing and, i believe, i will never find it here around. has anyone changed the ignition system for something newer? electronic o something like that?? 


 

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You have an Unstyled WC Speed Maintainer. 411 were built in 1938 and 1939 with the majority being the styled version that also has a different and improved grader frame where it mount at the front. Someone has extended the front end. They were replaced by the extended front with a wide front axle WC Speed Patrol that is fairy common. Mine is only one of three unstyled versions that I know about 

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very nice
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Hi Calvin!! thank you for your response!! I didn't noticed that the front end was modified until you mentioned that!!! jeje. I think i will restore it back to it's original length, i like it most...

Here i found a video of a similar road mantainer.  


Do you have more pictures of this grader model? 

Up to now, the missing parts are: the hood, the fuel tank, the magneto distributor cap, and the grader blade clamps. Will post some pics later to figure out how they should be, cause the grader blade have more fixing point than the ones that i have seen. 
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The front plate from the grader in the video says  1C141 , mine says 1C138, and yours Calvin?
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My plate is 1C114. I do have lots of pictures and an owners manual along with advertising and sales brochures. I did not know about the Maintainer at the museum.  
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Nice!!! Have you ever used it as a graver? I need to make a way/road in quite soft soil, do you think it can make it?
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I have not used the Maintainer. Years ago I had a Speed Patrol which was the model that came after the Speed Maintainer. It had an extended front frame and wide front. I used it until we put down recycled asphalt and then later real pavement. You should have no problems grading dirt as long as you don't make your cut too deep all at once. 
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Hello everyone!!! Thank you Calvin!!! This week i've started the restoration, in particular with the rear wheels, rims painting and tire change. I built a tool to remove the old tires and assemble the "new" ones. Will post pictures soon!!! Big smileBig smile



Is this grading blade original from allis chalmers? it's 3 m wide and the grabbing points seem not to be original. Was it modified?






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that sound of it running sure boost the spirits that is areal neat machine
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Originally posted by HudCo HudCo wrote:

that sound of it running sure boost the spirits that is areal neat machine

Ohh yesss!! it sounds wonderful!! 81 years and still running like first day!!!LOL

Here you have a video of the first round 

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That is certainly great.
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