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JC-WI 
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 Posted: 29 Apr 2018 at 1:30am |
Just gotta ask this again, does anyone have a front pedestal that they will let it be copied to make some sand castings from? Or supply some dimensions and make a narrow front from some square heavy walled tubing and a plate to fit the steering spindle shaft flange and wled the plate and tubing together. Then find an old narrow front for some farmall like 806 and shove that up the tube and form the end of tubing around spindles and weld solid. 
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JC-WI
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Posted: 29 Sep 2018 at 3:01am |
I acquired this piece of iron,
It is the heavy duty JD Roll-O-Matic unit for the 3020, 4020, 4320. Will that be a sacrilege to mount this to an AC??? Please Don't answer that question.
Or maybe clean it up and paint it orange???
Think somebody would notice? Now to see if an adapter can be made... S'pose I need to find some hubs too.  
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AC720Man
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Posted: 01 Oct 2018 at 8:23pm |
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Adapter can be made, it will work, but damned if I’m putting green on my AC. Won’t take someone to see the rollamatic. Lol, shame someone doesn’t reproduce them.
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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD
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JC-WI
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Posted: 01 Oct 2018 at 8:58pm |
Thanks AC720man... You rather have a rougher ride...  And painting it orange and maybe toss a cover shield over it wouldn't help?  I tried to get somebody to loan me one of their Narrow fronts to make a casting of it to reproduce a few of them... guaranteed it wouldn't be cheap.... and not a peep from anyone.
So, making an adapter plate is about the next best thing... ...and a Ford 8000/9000 narrow front wasn't an option either at $3032 dollars...
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Gary Burnett
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Posted: 01 Oct 2018 at 9:13pm |
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How far off are the WD/WD45 bolt on NF or D17?
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Charlie175
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Posted: 02 Oct 2018 at 8:17am |
 Gary Burnett wrote:
How far off are the WD/WD45 bolt on NF or D17?
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Different design. You Could weld the center shaft in place and make a plate to bolt on the pedestal to the 190 bolster. Not sure how strong it would be.
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'48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD
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Calvin Schmidt
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Posted: 02 Oct 2018 at 4:47pm |
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Friend I saw yesterday had a WD-45 NF in a OneNinety puller. Just added a 3/8" spacer on each side. Didn't think to ask but must have had an orbit motor coupled to the steering shaft. Another friend is thinking of casting some OneNinety pedestals
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hillmonkey
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Posted: 02 Oct 2018 at 5:13pm |
bolster for sale in classifieds
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AC720Man
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Posted: 02 Oct 2018 at 8:06pm |
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JC, I feel your pain as I also had looked at the Deere option but keep holding out for the real thing. Such a shame they are so hard to find and not reproduced. I have seen a D-19 pedestal used, as Charlie said the center has to be welded in place so it can rotate as the 190 did. Not sure if it’s strong enough for farming applications but would be fine for a show tractor.
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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD
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grinder220
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Posted: 02 Oct 2018 at 8:40pm |
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I wonder if the pedestal off a M670-G1000 moline would work. I should measure. They're not so hard to come by.
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JC-WI
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Posted: 02 Oct 2018 at 11:49pm |
Grinder, I don't know what a 670 has for a narrow front, but the
M5/602 has a slot system and a tightening bolt to suck it in. Got the
three fronts for the M5... G900/1000 might be doable, but man, ever see
the weight of them sitting on those small tires? All I can see them
things headed for china if the ground was just remotely wet. S'pose it would not be any worse than a 170 AC with 7.50x16 tires with a 1800# bale out front hanging on the loader.  
How about a Case 930-1070? Man, all them pedestals look like they would snap right off, and the Allis's 190 looks real beefy in comparison.
Looked at farmall front ends, and they look kinda weak too... Got four narrow fronts of them, and they look almost like they could take some strain for the M, and then the 400 Farmall pedestal looks just like the others, but bigger spindles. All four have different numbers on them. maybe a 806 pedestal would work...  ... red paint might be as bad as green paint? 
AC720,
One of these days, I am going to stop at a foundry and show them the
drawing above and see what they have to say about pouring some casts of
the pedestal... Might be cost prohibitive, but going to give it a shot.
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AC720Man
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Posted: 05 Oct 2018 at 8:38pm |
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JC I would certainly be interested in the casting cost. It is a heavy made piece, I was really impressed after finally seeing one at the PA sale. Much more robust than say a D19 or a Deere rollamatic. AC had switched over to wide fronts when others were still offering narrow fronts on a larger scale. It was an expensive option and most went with wide front ends. The neat thing with the zipper front end, you could have a wide front end or a narrow front end in just a few hours. Apparently not many pedestals were sold. I still plan on installing my zipper with or without a pedestal. It’s bound to make my XT more valuable. IMO of course.
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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD
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Gary
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Posted: 05 Oct 2018 at 9:26pm |
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AC720Man
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Posted: 06 Oct 2018 at 10:28pm |
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I have a zipper, need the pedestal.
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Posted: 30 Sep 2020 at 1:21am |
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Did anyone ever get anywhere with some castings or peruse the idea? I have a 185 puller I really want to put a NF under, but at a 10k asking price I’ve found 2 at there is no way
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AC720Man
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Posted: 30 Sep 2020 at 10:09am |
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Glad you brought my post up again. I still have a zipper with no pedestal...haven’t heard from anyone on this so apparently no one had any luck.
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Posted: 30 Sep 2020 at 7:35pm |
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A 706 or 806 ih can work If you grind a little bit off of the ih frontend and drill new holes in rails. A jd will work too but the rollamatic frontend don't look right.
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David (in Mi.)
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Posted: 05 Oct 2020 at 11:51pm |
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rollamatic was a option. I have a john deere straight spindle, without rollamatic.
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