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Josh(NE) 
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Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 12:02pm |
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Was moving bales on the 3 point last night an out of the blue, no reverse. All forward gears seem fine and no odd noises. Right in the thick of haying season, so i don't know when i will get to look at it. Just looking for thoughts, simple or major repair. Thanks
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'65 190XT, 37 B, '72 170, '83 8030, and the IH 560 was a mistake
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Dave H (NE)
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Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 12:55pm |
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you my have a broken shift fork. have seen it happen.
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Dakota Dave
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Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 2:03pm |
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You have a broken shift fork. Take the top off remove fork and have it grazed I did mine last winter. Hardest part was getting floor panels off mine had nuts on the bottom the nut plates were broken on three hardest to get to.had my teenage son hold the wrench up by the transmission the easy to get to bolts still had nut plates. Don't lose the ball when you take the shifter shaft out.
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Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 5:39pm |
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Special dowel bolts on the shift cover go in the front left and right rear corners. Remove and install shift cover with tranny shifted into SECOND (3-4) gear..
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Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 10:54pm |
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Brazed fork on AD40 grader with good results
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Dakota Dave
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Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 11:12pm |
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When you are pulling the shift shafts out push a socket that just fits in as you push the shaft out it'll hold the ball and spring compressed when you push the shaft back in it pushes the socket back out. After you loose the ball they are 3/8" diameter. I had to get a bag of them none could be found localy. I have 24 extras in my stash.
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Posted: 27 Jul 2020 at 7:30pm |
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Thanks for the information. By this weekend I'll get a chance to look and see if that is really the trouble. I will update you. Thanks again.
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Posted: 28 Jul 2020 at 7:03am |
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Most of the time I welded the reverse fork without removing it from the shift cover.
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Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 9:46pm |
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It is a broken shift fork. I got a replacement from local salvage yard. Turns out to be wrong. I have a early model tractor with a late model transmission according to casting numbers on the shift fork i broke.
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DrAllis
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Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 6:15am |
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ALL 190XT's were to have the transmission updated by your local dealership. No 190's, just XT's.
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Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 6:22am |
I don't think XT gassers were updated either...... emphasis on I don't think 
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Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 6:39am |
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They weren't as high of a priority as the turbo diesel. Do the turbo diesels first and then the gassers. Some dealerships may have had a dozen to do.
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Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 7:45am |
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Mine is an XT gasser.
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Josh(NE)
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Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 10:18pm |
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Dr Allis, what is the preferred method for welding a shift fork?
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DrAllis
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Posted: 06 Aug 2020 at 7:00am |
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I prefer to replace instead of weld, but if a new fork wasn't on hand, it got welded. They usually break in the flat smooth area just above the fingers and it is easily welded with a rod made for cast iron/cast steel welding.. That's a somewhat special rod and all I ever used. Pre-heating the area a bit with a torch is a good idea.
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Dakota Dave
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Posted: 06 Aug 2020 at 9:32am |
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Local blacksmith that did mine brazen welds shifter forks hes done hundereds for many obsolete machines never had one returned. Mine had been previously welded poorly when I took it apart.
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Posted: 06 Aug 2020 at 10:01am |
My 180 broke a shift fork, took me better part of two hours to fish out the chunks as found the Second one broken when pulled.
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Posted: 06 Aug 2020 at 9:19pm |
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V it out and use bronze. MACK
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