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FREEDGUY 
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Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 8:23pm |
According to tractor data, there were roughly 10,500 180's made. Only 1,100'ish were gassers, does that make ours a "collectors'" model   ??
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jiminnd
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Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 7:28pm |
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The neighbors without 3pt is gas, know of a couple others, 1 diesel and 1 gas but both with 3pt.
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1945 C, 1949 WF and WD, 1981 185, 1982 8030, unknown D14(nonrunner)
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Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 7:33pm |
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I have two 180 gas tractors...had three, but sold one. I have one with 2800 original hours on it...1969 model...
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Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 8:41pm |
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I have a 180 gas and know of another.
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Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 9:14pm |
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The gas 180's usually bring less money than a diesel one.
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Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 11:25am |
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How do the newer larger AC 6 cylinder gas engines run? Do they have any issues? The good 226 4 cylinder engine was the only AC gas I’ve ever operated in the D17 /One-Seventy tractors.
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Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 12:28pm |
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301 gas engine in a 190XT was famous for breaking piston tops off of the skirt. A-C never resolved the problem. I think when you need to overhaul a 265 or 301 gas engine, there are no repair parts (pistons/sleeves) available anymore. They ran like everyone else's big gassers at that time: cold-blooded and use lots of fuel.
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Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 12:32pm |
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I often wonder how well these would run with the EFI conversion that Dave Kepner is doing to 3020/4020's. He isn't doing any other makes of tractors that I'm aware of, but that would be a nice upgrade. I'm a diesel guy though lol!
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Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 1:23pm |
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Traded for my 180 gas back in the early 1980's have used it for a lot of things over the years,have a loader on it now motor has never been gone into since I have had it still runs very well.For a tractor its size it doesn't use anymore gas than any other gas tractor its size.Had a 190XT gas for awhile now that thing could soak up some gas a whole lot more than my 180 think it had a 301 in it.
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Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 2:25pm |
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I thought Allis came out with a stronger piston for those engines. I remember a 190XT in the shop that had a broken piston but I don't remember if we overhauled it completely or just replaced that piston. It's been almost 30 years ago.
My Dad's 190XT would always start in the cold Minnesota winters and it always liked gasoline no matter what the job.
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Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 5:00pm |
I was just surprised by the 10-1 ratio . Were there any 185 gassers produced ?
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Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 5:11pm |
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Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 5:41pm |
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180 and 190 were 265 cubic inches. 180 had a smaller carburetor than a 190. 190XT was 301 cubes and had a larger carb than a 190.
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Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 7:50pm |
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Got a 190 gasser and it sounds just like an ole Gleaner engine ,, works great tho,,
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Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 8:22pm |
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Only an early model "G" Gleaner ever used a G-301 gas engine and a G-265 was never in any Gleaner.
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Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 8:45pm |
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A 190xt gas would not use any more gas than a D19 gas. MACK
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Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 9:47pm |
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265 cylinder parts are NLA. Rings are the only thing available.
Rebuilding a 301 gas right now. Reliance and Mahle/Clevite have most the parts Available.
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Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 7:46am |
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A 190xt gas would not use any more gas than a D19 gas. MACK |
I had both at the same time the 190XT burned a whole lot more gas than the 180,of course the 190XT had a whole lot more power.
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Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 11:14am |
FREEDGUY wrote:
I was just surprised by the 10-1 ratio . Were there any 185 gassers produced ? |
I don't see why that should be surprising. Just look at the history of farm tractors and the time frame you're talking about.
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Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 5:20pm |
 , any idea of when/model of the LAST gas engine was offered?? You might surprise me by your answer .
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Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 8:41pm |
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I'd guess for the 180 1973 and I'm pretty sure for all Allis Chalmers farm tractors, the 175 in 1976.
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Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 5:04pm |
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Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 5:19pm |
My buddy sold his 180 gas a couple years ago----he despised it---controls were all over and you had to reach for everything on them---nuttin handy bout them. He took the money from the 180 and put it on a 200 ,--- so now he has the 200, a 190 xtd, and a 190 gas. He loves the controls on them.
I always found the 190's a better tractor to drive.
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Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 7:24pm |
ac fleet wrote:
My buddy sold his 180 gas a couple years ago----he despised it---controls were all over and you had to reach for everything on them---nuttin handy bout them. He took the money from the 180 and put it on a 200 ,--- so now he has the 200, a 190 xtd, and a 190 gas. He loves the controls on them.
I always found the 190's a better tractor to drive.
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Your buddy would've completely freaked out running a D-19 , talk about "all- over- the-place" controls 
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Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 7:33pm |
I would never say I hated a 180 because of the control layout. Yes a 190 or 200 is better but the 180 is no worse than a 3020, 4020, 656, 1650, M670, 5000 etc. They all have levers in all directions and some in harder to reach spots. In my biased book the 180 wins. 
Edited by Lonn - 09 Apr 2020 at 7:35pm
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Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 7:37pm |
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Growing up running the D series I never gave the control positions much thought. Beat the neighbor's 560 to pieces IMO............. Looks like I'll always go to bat for AC!
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Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 7:41pm |
I also ran a 560 IH for a neighbor, but for the life of me, I can't recall the hydraulic lever layout  . I DO recall the '19's configuration  .
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Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 7:51pm |
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If I remember right the 560 was at the right and slightly to the rear of the seat while the D19 was just on the left side of the seat. I always liked running my D19 because it was quiet, had a long wheelbase for a gentle ride and it had two way hydraulics vs the old D17. The D19 would walk through mud better than Dad's 190XT even with the narrow 7.50x16 fronts vs the XT with 10.00x16 fronts.
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Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 7:57pm |
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I was wrong, the hydraulic levers are to the right of the steering wheel on a 560. D19 wins hands down for hydraulic lever placement.
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Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 8:32pm |
FREEDGUY wrote:
, any idea of when/model of the LAST gas engine was offered?? You might surprise me by your answer . |
Last one available isn’t the same thing as when the popularity of diesel and demise of gas began. No surprise, sorry.
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