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TimCNY ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2014 Location: Upstate NY Points: 1551 |
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My WD45 needs the engine clutch replaced, the hand clutch needs work/maybe replacing, the left brake is seizing, and most of the bearings back there probably need a good looking at... I haven't yet priced just parts alone, but the estimate given by a guy who works at a tractor dealership and does work on the side for brands his employer doesn't sell, is close to triple what the tractor is worth.
I've been going back and forth whether to keep the tractor and fix it up (which is what I want to do), sell it as-is along with the snap coupler implements (it's the only tractor I have with a snap coupler hitch, so it'd be useless to keep them), or part it out. The engine is strong. I parked the tractor in the barn two years ago but regularly start the engine to keep it free. So, along comes a deal: $600 for a very nice 1949 WD, just up the road from me. My WD45 is 1955. Here's my question: If I split both tractors and swap the WD from the engine clutch and back onto the WD45, will everything line up and be compatible from the engine clutch/bell housing back? I know the transmission clutch in the WD will likely only have two discs (if still original) instead of the three that the 45 has, but is there anything else that would render this a bad idea? If it isn't feasible, then I'm thinking it's time for Plan B (sell it all) or Plan C (part it out). I can't stay undecided. Thanks! - Tim |
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TimCNY ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2014 Location: Upstate NY Points: 1551 |
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Also, when using the 53-14 plow on the WD45, I don't have to remove the PTO shaft. Will I have to with the WD?
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21732 |
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You're making this waaay too hard. " My WD-45 needs the foot clutch replaced"--REPLACE THE CLUTCH........."the hand clutch needs work, maybe replacing"-- REMOVE THE BATTERY BOX AND COVER AND TRY AND PULL SOME SHIMS......." the left brake is seizing" --- SO RELINE THE BRAKE SHOES AND MAYBE REPLACE THE DRUM........." and most of the bearings back there probably need a good looking at"----REALLY?? IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T GO LOOKING FOR TROUBLE...EVERY BEARING IN IT IS 60 YRS OLD AND WILL ALL SHOW SOME NORMAL WEAR......
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cpg ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 10 Jul 2015 Location: Michigan Points: 246 |
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I agree that if you can do the work yourself to do an engine swap, it wouldn't be any harder to just do the clutches and change some brake pads. These old tractor rear ends are pretty reliable; if it doesn't have a ton of issues and shifts and goes fine just clean and fill with new fluid when it goes back together. Clutch discs and a pair of brake shoes for a WD45 shouldn't total it for parts cost.
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tadams(OH) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Sep 2009 Location: Jeromesville, O Points: 10788 |
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If you want to do the engine transplant yes it will fit.
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DougS ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Location: Iowa Points: 2490 |
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The hand clutch on the '45 is beefier, but the WD hand clutch will work. I agree with Doc ... fixing what's broken would be easier.
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Steve A ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 2012 Location: NLP Mi Points: 241 |
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I have a "WD 45" wide front like that with a Kelly loader on it. Engine serial numbers are 1956 45--solid block, tall head, bigger carb and air cleaner, front end is a 4 bolt, hood/sheet metal all faded factory decaled WD45, but everything from the engine on back is from a '49 WD according to the serial numbers on the rear casting, and straight gearshift. Never looked at the hand clutch, but I would guess it is the WD. Somebody must have swapped it around long ago. Dad and I bought it that way in 1997 at an auction.
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TimCNY ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2014 Location: Upstate NY Points: 1551 |
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Thanks guys
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TimCNY ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2014 Location: Upstate NY Points: 1551 |
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It's been a long time and this is an old thread, but at long last I've had a (very) little time over the past couple of weeks or so to devote to the WD45.
1. Hand clutch - looks great, really looks new. Possibly replaced by the previous owner. I went in expecting to find a bunch of problems including but not limited to the snap ring being broken, but everything was clean and solid. Except, I noticed that engaging-disengaging the hand clutch, the shaft moved ok but the unit didn't always follow suit. Checked for the shift fork set screw, the lock nut apparently wasn't secured and the set screw was loose. Fixed that. Now it's perfect. I was hopeful that the rest of what needs work would be as super easy. Well, not so much lol! 2. The left brake - maybe the whole reason it hasn't been right is that the shoes are definitely NOT for, or from, a WD or WD45. At least from comparing them to the right brake and all the manuals. I have no idea what they actually came from. I have pics, but can't seem to upload from my phone. Anyways, the shoes are "closed," so to speak; at the top, and the front and rear springs go through very small square openings, I can't see any part of the springs once they go into those openings. The metal on those shoes is noticeably thicker than the other. Maybe they were used because the shoes are no longer available and these were an attempt to cheap-out on a brake job, maybe they were homemade, or (likely) maybe because I'm ignorant and these actually ARE just a different style of shoes made for the tractor. Anyways, I found a very good complete set of used brakes and will be using those when I make the repairs to both brakes. WHEN, lol... 3. The other issue is the PTO. The gasket had been leaking for longer than I've owned the tractor, all I used to do was refill to full before using it for the day. That's a ridiculous way to deal with the problem, I know, but - moving on, I have a new gasket to install. I detached the rear PTO carrier and dropped the PTO housing. One nut on the rear of the housing didn't loosen and the stud unscrewed with the nut, no biggie there at all. However, the bolt hole on the shaft is badly wallowed-out (shoulder bolt there is fine, but of course sloppy), and I can't separate the PTO shaft from the output shaft. I don't want to wail on this too much, or try to pry it off, because I don't want to cause any damage to the housing. I won't be able to get back to working on it until the weekend at the earliest, I plan on applying a little heat to the shaft to try to get them to separate. I'm thinking that the way things wore out at the bolt hole, there may have been a lip of some sort that developed and is keeping them from separating. Any thoughts? So far, everything else that I mentioned last year turns out to be fine. Well, at least acceptable. I want to have this done to get plowing soon, if it ever stops snowing here and the temps can climb out of the 30's! Thanks in advance for your help and advice. - Tim |
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TimCNY ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2014 Location: Upstate NY Points: 1551 |
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To clarify, when I say I dropped the PTO housing, obviously there's not enough space available to remove it entirely from the torque tube because the shaft still being attached won't allow for it.
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Allis dave ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 10 May 2012 Location: Northern IN Points: 3031 |
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Hi Tim, I had the same problem with my shaft. I pryed on it pretty good and it finally came off. I was worried like you about prying too much and breaking the casting. On mine it had been tightened too hard with the bolt and distorted. It's supposed to have a special shoulder bolt there that you can still get from AGCO. Ray on the forum sell the replacement shaft ends in the thread below. You cut your end off and weld the new one on. If yours is wallowed out maybe it'd be best to buy a new one. Then you could torch or cut off your old one from the PTO box stub shaft without breaking anything. Ray's a good guy and could fix you up. |
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TimCNY ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2014 Location: Upstate NY Points: 1551 |
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Thanks Dave, I've been looking at those since I saw that the bolt hole was wallowed out. Problem is, that wallowing-out of the bolt hole is perfectly matching in both the rear shaft and the stub shaft. What I may do if the shaft won't come off is cut it and replace the rear shaft, or both the shaft and the whole PTO gearbox if I can find them cheaply enough. Or another plan as it unfolds lol. And I do have the shoulder bolt, not sure if it needs to be replaced but I may just buy another and use this one as a spare. I hope it just comes off, even with the holes the way they are that PTO has powered a 6' woods rotary mower through a lot of acres of heavy brush. Tough machines. Glad I decided to keep it and fix it up.
Edit: My welding skills are so-so, but my brother-in-law does excellent work. I'm keeping the shaft coupling sleeve option open; $20 is a lot better than $100+ used or $200+ "new." Thanks again for posting that. Edited by TimCNY - 09 Apr 2018 at 2:29pm |
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Allis dave ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 10 May 2012 Location: Northern IN Points: 3031 |
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I wouldn't worry too much unless the hole is really terrible. I might spend $20 plus shipping on the coupler than go. If the shaft come apart because of the hole you can worry about it then. I doubt it'll every have a problem really.
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8573 |
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lot easier to remove shaft from box whe box is bolted up.A crow bar and something to lay against a bolt head an pry away.
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TimCNY ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2014 Location: Upstate NY Points: 1551 |
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Thanks Steve, that's something I wish I'd thought of beforehand. I didn't have much time to fiddle around yesterday, but I did consider putting the PTO back into the torque tube and bolting it back up. Unfortunately when I tried replacing the housing it didn't want to go back in and I ran out of time to work on it any more. Next time I'm able to get to it, I'll try that.
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KY ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 08 Dec 2009 Location: Kentucky Points: 371 |
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Most of the PTOs are walllered out. Put the right bolt in it and run it!
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TimCNY ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2014 Location: Upstate NY Points: 1551 |
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Started a new thread on actually doing the repairs, --> http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/topic149572_post1242901.html#1242901
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