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Topic: Light trucks, gotten so sadPosted: 27 Feb 2026 at 11:17pm |
............. always nice when a PLAN comes together and WORKS !!
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Posted: 27 Feb 2026 at 10:41pm |
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Found compromised wire and repaired the same. Gauge response was as expected as was all work performed. Completed job, serviced machine, and delivered it back to owner. Very happy party with the work. All good.
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Posted: 26 Feb 2026 at 7:56pm |
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Cannot get the wire to ring from the engine mounted temperature sensor to the former EIC plug. Broken wire that I've not located compromise yet. However, I found another nest in a vertical riser tube supporting the upper ROPS structure, and there is a wiring loom inside this tube. Damnest thing to get this far and then yet another setback.
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Posted: 25 Feb 2026 at 10:08pm |
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Temperature sensor and gauge work just about the same as the fuel gauge setup as verified today. Made a mounting rail this afternoon for a few ancillary components to affix to, along with running some additional power feeds, and ground wires to avoid any splicing into original wiring. Hoping to return the unit to the owner either Friday afternoon, or Saturday during the day. They want it fully serviced and ready to go right back to work over the weekend which I don't think will be a problem.
Then comes the green in both cash, and their Deere tractor which they call "Big John" as mowing season is just around the corner. I want to say this tractor has rodent damage also but not to the extent this skid steer did. I think it only affects the lights, and this may, or may not be from rodents but it has been worked on in the past. This tractor still runs/operates, but needs checked over and serviced for the upcoming season.
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Posted: 25 Feb 2026 at 4:58pm |
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Fuel quantity gauge calibration this morning:
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Posted: 25 Feb 2026 at 9:18am |
Thanks. Been a rewarding project for certain. As each subassembly comes back to life it is considered accomplishment. Kinda like your pickup project being it if were easy, anybody could, or would do it. Lot easier to repair something when you can actually see the damage; not so much with electrical when you are only armed with the limited scope of printed material I have available.
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Posted: 25 Feb 2026 at 7:12am |
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Posted: 24 Feb 2026 at 7:45pm |
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Can't actually tell you if this machine has an alarm or not? I've not seen one but really haven't been looking either. I did back the machine up about three feet and it did not blast so either not connected electrically, or non existent.
Figured out my way around the original EIC and everything works as far as enabling. Also found two wires in the ROPS that were devoid of insulation and together but they are not used in this machine. 10 seconds of glow plug cycling and this engine wants to jump off the mounts starting so easily. Finally have everything sorted and haven't had to cut a single wire of the original harness. Tomorrow I will incorporate my panel into the mix and give it a functional checkout with my grapple bucket, and some downed limbs in the yard. Discovered how to jumper to enable the hydraulic valve body to allow booms to stroke. This is the first time they have been down in nearly eight years: ![]() ![]() Little too tight to work in engine compartment with them down so back up they went. ![]() First shot of my new panel livening up just a bit. Nothing installed, nor calibrated but I think they will be fine as not too bright to use at night. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP82vFkcaXE First Yellow lamp will be glow plug cycling. Second Yellow lamp will be for hydraulic filter restriction. Red lamp is for low engine oil pressure. Hopefully when the keyswitch is turned to the "On" position, all three will illuminate and the top Yellow lamp will extinguish at the interval adjusted for to allow glow plugs to warm. The engine can then be started. I have decided to run the second Yellow, and Red lamps through five second timer circuit(s). This means if the engine sensors "see" either a clogged hydraulic filter, or low engine oil pressure, this will start a countdown in the respective circuit. If oil filter differential pressure, or engine oil pressure does not return to normal levels in five seconds, the timers will command engine shutdown immediately by interrupting the fuel solenoid voltage. Edited by Codger - 24 Feb 2026 at 7:55pm |
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Posted: 24 Feb 2026 at 6:32pm |
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Don't forget that Almighty Going to Save the World, REQUIRED In Commercial Ops Backup Beeper.
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Posted: 24 Feb 2026 at 5:01am |
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Going back together and this is where I stopped for the day. Tummy growling when I snapped this so time to head home: ![]() Originally had planned to split the harness but later decided there was no need as I'm going to attempt to repair the original EIC board: ![]() |
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Posted: 24 Feb 2026 at 4:38am |
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Nearing the final stretch with this thing finally. Lot's of rodent damage everywhere has really taken time to sort and repair. Muddling through it however. Now have operational work lamps, glow plugs, interlocks, and engine shutdowns. Gone however is the 30 second delay from fault sense to engine shutdown as that was chip controlled. In layman's terms that means if low oil pressure, engine overtemp, or elevated hydraulic termperature is sensed, there is no delay in engine shutdown and it will be immediate.
Will be incorporating my new control panel today but have one circuit yet to figure out. No point to point wiring diagram available and will find this wiring run via multimeter. I can make it work with the original card in place, but now need to go around that circuit as have all the others. This allows for an unmolested original wiring harness, (albeit several repairs). Engine starts and runs from my homebrew concoction and glow plugs cycle as they should. Same safety systems are active and engine immediately dies if any are compromised. One Eye Wonder: ![]() After finding yet another wire compromised and repaired: ![]() ![]() Owner tells me the lights have not worked in the machine for many years. Rodent damage corroded the termination that supplies power to the circuit. I "scabbed" this in there temporarily going around original fuse till I can get the correct pins that go into the fuse block. It actually tucked away nicely and is readily accessible though I didn't photo the completion: ![]() Edited by Codger - 24 Feb 2026 at 4:55am |
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Posted: 19 Feb 2026 at 7:27pm |
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Little more progress today shifting a DC load through the timer circuits and illuminating an LED annunciator lamp. Timer pulls in a relay which pulls in a contactor supplying the high current load and drops out according to time setting. Works 4.0 in test configuration so final implementation begins.
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Posted: 19 Feb 2026 at 10:12am |
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New Holland dealer I help out wants two of these panels. One they have presold for a machine they sold new and has a blank cluster. I know the end user very well. I could sell direct but don't backstab anybody and they discovered I was doing this through the implement dealer therefore will be vendored through them. Another owner is to supply desired functions and I'll build to that if possible/reasonable. Both are willing to let me have their machines to test/evaluate proper operations of the engineering involved.
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Posted: 18 Feb 2026 at 5:24pm |
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Little dry run progress to check for fitment. So far, so good. No electrical yet but most likely tomorrow.
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Posted: 17 Feb 2026 at 6:50pm |
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I am old but not yet grown up......
I figger I'll go till getting bored, (not there yet) and then think about something else. Don't hunt, fish, drink, smoke, chase skirt, etc. but still like working on things so save to say it's "difficult" to slow down.
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Posted: 17 Feb 2026 at 5:49pm |
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work after dark ??? .... I thought you were old enough to be RETIRED !!! ... that should limit you to work ONLY while the sun is up !!
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Posted: 17 Feb 2026 at 5:24pm |
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On another happy note, I caught four 10,000 lumen 120VAC worklamps on sale in a rather slim case for mounting on my "Ma Bell" service truck. There is one 500W halogen worklamp at the rear and I'll remove this replacing with one of these new ones, and install one new lamp on each side of the ladder rack. I carry a 3kw portable generator with me most always and have a 4kw Onan air cooled set to mount permanent on the truck. Truck is already wired and plumbed as originally had a 6.5kw Onan set installed, but was gone prior to my purchase. Fuel lines and electrical are still present and terminated/protected proper. This will allow me to work after dark some.
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Posted: 17 Feb 2026 at 5:15pm |
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Tested both timer boards with a battery and light bulb in a socket. Both work well and although not linear, adjust easily. Once the "set" button is pressed, the delay is witheld when power is removed. This should work fine to trigger a relay which will pull in the large contactor that carries the inrush and holding current of the glow plugs as they warm; then release once the set time interval is satisfied.
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Posted: 17 Feb 2026 at 6:00am |
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You are correct there Steve. The approach would have been much different with software controlling, rather than enabling functions and features. About the only automatic features I'm working with are the timing for the glow plug cycling. The engine starts easily without them now so going to start out with a 10 second interval with keyswitch on they will cycle, illuminate a yellow annunciator, and drop out the interval setting later and extinguish the lamp. The operator can then start the engine, or recycle the interval. The engine cannot be started with the glow plugs running as there is an interlock incorporated and will be retained. They are familiar with the "Wait to Start" banner so this fits right in with the original analogy. With exception of my timer install that is adjustable, the original interval varied with engine temperature; so could require adjustment to optimize.
Received the timers, red annunciators, reset buttons, and all important 52mm hole saw to install the gauges. Also located a section of 14ga sheet steel for the faceplate, and a stick of lightweight 1" steel channel to function as a relay mount strip. I'll weld the channel to the rear of the faceplate, bore and tap holes for relay ears to affix so no fasteners protrude through the faceplate with exception of the four mounting fasteners. I didn't think of a "dimming" circuit for the instrument panel with the work lamps turned on and it may not be a problem, but that can be inserted at a later time if needed. Hopefully get some accomplished on this task yet today. Only Gehl skid steer I've worked on was a diesel unit that scattered the engine. I want to say it had a Perkins, or Shibaura engine and was replaced with a reman long block the owner could not get any credit for as it wasn't a rebuildable core. That one was fun and I used my gantry crane to completely lift the cab off the unit for unimpeded access.
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Posted: 16 Feb 2026 at 9:20am |
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its working out great that the "BOARD" does not control the spark or timing.. Just the Permissives to make things work... Turning out to be a great little project..
I have a 30 year old GEHL with a 4 cylinder FORD engine.. Runs great, but does not have a "normal" coil/ points, or a distributor.. Has two little magic "BOXES" with a dozen wires running to each... BOXES are hard to come by... I dread the day that i have "no spark"..... guy before me put a mechanical governor on the engine, so "half" of one box does nothing... but i dont want to disconnect it and find out WHAT !
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Posted: 16 Feb 2026 at 7:02am |
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Have received most needed parts and balance are scheduled for delivery today. Found a small sheet of 16ga sheet metal to fashion the faceplate from, and a stick of light 1" channel to mount the relays and components to. The channel will weld to the rear side of the faceplate and relay mounts will "daisy chain" along this channel. Already have drawn out a print to follow and hopefully this will just be a rerouting of existing wires and terminations. Need to pick up a new book of wire legends today come to think of it. I have several books but all older now.
Had to run a new power lead incorporating a separate fuse in line for the lights. The termination at the original fuse block was corroded badly and broke off with very little effort due to the effects of rodent urine. That is why I had battery voltage at the switch in the with the switch in the "Off" position, but immediately went to zero volts when "On" position was selected. Hoping to get this machine back to owner by next weekend. The project is coming along nicely so far once figured out.
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Posted: 13 Feb 2026 at 7:11am |
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You know to think about it, I don't think I've ever seen an air bag deployed in a 7.3L ford.
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Posted: 13 Feb 2026 at 3:53am |
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My old SD Ford still has shortcomings. 27 years on the road and mostly obsolete where is nothing generic on the machine to speak of.
Some Years back the Left seatbelt would not extend for use one day, the inertia mechanism had failed so called Ford, NLA as was outside the nine year line to retain parts availability, so tried salvage and ended up sending back fleabay orders or attempts at making a functional one last a while. All failed. The 1999-2002 model year extended cabs used a model specific floor mount, in late 03 changed to a model specific door mount then in 06 or 07 to a seat mount style that redesigned the seat where that would not bolt into the previous versions. Planned obsolescence as well piss poor design either criteria or considerations where the use of a Generic Seat Belt system across ALL models should have been call of the day. Across the FORD Lines trucks are different than autos, models of trucks are unique for ‘Accessory’ items as this where parts lines are insane spreads of versions values, efficacy. Had I Not been issued verbal then written warnings as to my seat belt being on yet totally dysfunctional as ceased retracting, had no inertia system function where was worthless for any accident condition I would not ever bothered with this. Took a new GENERIC HDT Seat Belt assembly from PACCAR where they use a specific contractor company to provide a belt system they use in EVERY machine they sell. I fabricobbled the system into my SD Ford where has retract and inertia system, used OE mount position and even as color is wrong, do not care, have the State Required belt system I have not ever required as do not get stupid in my machines yet can avoid a ticket for lack of use or faulty mechanism. When I rebuilt my 05 KW I had noted the seat belt system latch was same as my Ford. Minor changes and slipped right into the truck. Old truck has Air Bags, not certain the system will even still function, doubt the sensors are any further good. More required not ever needed, must protect the idiots junk that cost money and did not ever get used. Edited by DMiller - 14 Feb 2026 at 10:15am |
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Posted: 11 Feb 2026 at 8:54pm |
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Some of my parts order have shipped but two important timers have not yet. Located a small section of 16ga sheet metal I'll fabricate into a faceplate for gauges and annunciator lamps to protrude through. Going to weld a section of 1" channel steel to the back side of this sheet for the relays to affix to, then belt sand the face smooth and paint it most likely New Holland gray so looks somewhat original. Have all wiring terminations annotated in notes so when parts arrive, should be somewhat easy to interconnect, and implement into usage.
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Posted: 08 Feb 2026 at 5:49am |
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There are retrofit, or modification kits available to install a later type EIC into this series of machine. Still pretty heavy on cost however.
I found a couple boards used on the internet but still over 1K each. Given they were a known failure item, I'm just going to eliminate the problem altogether. Myself personally have never seen one of these work. I have hauled several in for either service, or trades on new and all the clusters I've seen are inop. Most have a toggle switch incorporated to unlock the boom functions and other wiring workarounds including a pushbutton for engine preheat, (glow plugs) and I could do the same easily; but I'm retaining the automatic functions through a discreet componentry scenario. I'm not counting nickles but rather going for reliabiltiy over anything else.
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Thanks. I've not heard they do board level repair myself and happy you had success. Did a lot of this type work prior to retiring, but had ample information to know what i was working with. Almost like pulling teeth with this one. The service manual has segmented diagrams but no complete point to point wiring diagram as example. Large holes in the information needed to work with efficiently. One has to find the "Point to Point" terminations with a meter; especially on this CCA.
Corrosion with this machine in the electrical terminations has been terrible and takes time to sort. There have been prior repairs to wiring that have been attacked again in addition to fresh damage further up, and downstream. I understand the machine has sat untouched where it was for at least six years so ample time for small vermin to take up permanent residence. I'm not a believer in electronics into a construction type machine given the atmosphere they exist within. Manual, or mechanical operation worked for a lot of years pretty trouble free and even a novice could keep their equipment in good repair. Not so much when you have a single board with it's fingers into every fit, form, and function and a single point failure takes the machine out of service. Eliminating this very scenario is my goal with this machine as it's been troublesome in the past; along with knowing these EIC, (boards) were known failure items. To be fair, not really a machine fault in this scenario, but rather atmosphere and care/exposure. When I finish all automated features should remain intact but isolated into operational segments and easy to t/s in the future should problems arise.
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Posted: 08 Feb 2026 at 5:14am |
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Are likely available but have yet to do a search. News bulletin noted a GM Light Truck BRAKING system fault TSB is being released. Again electronics games on a simple system, where Severe Cold Temps or other Low Battery conditions are affect Auto Braking Controls, failing Brake Boost operation and or immediate braking FAILURES, 2022-2026 model years. Why is there anything Electronic of Power Brake Boost? Or a Auto Braking system necessity?
Secondarily was an article in CDL Life, as to a DOT Investigative action looking into SIDE Under Run Guarding systems for ALL trailers where an auto could possibly Under Run in a Incident and severely injure the auto occupants. Similar to Rear Bumper changes to semi trailers and larger Bobtail trucks for Under Run accidents. The entire focus is away from Teaching Drivers Education to NOT get involved in accidents or to avoid them. Can see the Human Protective Balloon ideology returning from this. |
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Posted: 07 Feb 2026 at 11:47pm |
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I just had an ECU board for a Cat excavator repaired through Ag Express, Cat wanted $6000 for a new one and Ag Express repaired it for under $600.
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1955 AC WD45 diesel with D262 repower, 1949 AC WD, 1963 A-C D17 series 3, several Allis garden tractors
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Was able to get the work lamps to light up. Still need to work a bit on tail lamps. The fuse panel in the ROPS was buried in rodent nest and is corroded. I had voltage on the light switch but as soon as you tried to pull any current through the circuit, measured voltage went to zero. This is always a compromise to wiring on either the power, or grounding side. I'd wager there is a wire chewed through for the tail lamps in the rear but I've not investigated that area other than a 48" blow gun and paint stick to remove a former nest and 1/2 carcass of mouse remains.
Owner wants either a loud annunciator, (Sonalert screamer) or flashing lamp to remind to release parking brake. Easy enough to incorporate at this stage and will serve a good purpose. I did locate the values of the sending units for oil pressure, hydraulic charge pressure, and filter restriction sending units. The oil pressure gauge kit comes with the appropriate sender, the fuel gauge is selectable for the proper resistance readings and has full, and empty calibration capability. The hydraulic fluid temperature, and filter restriction are simple on/off switches calibrated at different values. This has turned out to be quite a nice little job; albeit expensive to repair. However, the machine will not be stored as has been as the barn has a newly remodeled and separated space for the skid steer, mower, and 4020 Deere tractor. There is a nice 180 Allis out in the yard but I don't know anything about it yet. Overall, a productive day.
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Posted: 07 Feb 2026 at 4:23pm |
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I uplined the findings annotated here and more work on the machine cometh. I have found the parking brake to be inoperable when engaging the apparatus. All linkage moves but nothing happens. Received a text back that a son used to operate the machine and seldom released the parking brake so well known to be inoperable. Wants it functional again and doesn't mind the cost now being found it's worth repairing.
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