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Just for fun: WD45 vs. D15 II, Who wins? |
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Jacob (WI,ND)
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Kenmare, ND Points: 1244 |
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Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 12:22pm |
Hi all,
Thought I'd start a fun discussion that Dad and I were talking about over Christmas. So, say you had a WD45 and a D15 II hooked hitch to hitch in a friendly barnyard competition, who wins? We got to talking this when Dad realized that his D15 II had a smaller engine than my WD45. So I looked up the drawbar horsepowers and they are basically the same. So we got to wondering. Lets assume both are stock (no supped up engines or anything), and running good. Both wide front. Both have fluid in the rear tires, but no other added weights. So both are approximately the same weight. Hook them up and what is the outcome? Is rear tire size a factor? How do the tranny gears compare? Hitch heights? Just come down to operators? What say you????
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powertech84
Silver Level Joined: 17 Oct 2009 Location: Wisconsin Points: 445 |
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i also have one of each and they seem pretty equal although i would probly give the edge to the wd45. My wd has fluid and the d15 doesn't and it seems to be the difference in pulling full loads of hay up the barn hill
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DrAllis
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As a kid we had a WD45 with 14.9 x 28's(fluid) and wide front end and stock pistons and sleeves. In later years, a D15 II was brought to the farm to be second in line to a D17 IV and the WD45 got the trip bucket loader put on it. One Spring while the D17 was discing another field, I put the 3-16" 70 series plow on the D15 II and made an attempt to plow some sod. This was the SAME plow we used on the WD45 years earlier. It was a big disappointment. While many times over the years the WD45 had all it wanted in tough sod in second gear, the D15 II would have been better off with 2-16's that day. Nebraska test HP measurements are at a steady load and sometimes don't represent a plow hitting a tough spot and yanking the engine down to 12 or 1400 rpm. The D15 II has terrible lugging ability compared to the old W-226 running at 1700 rpm. In my books a D15 was a nice replacement for the WD, not a WD45.
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Brian Jasper co. Ia
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Prairie City Ia Points: 10508 |
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I think I would give the edge to the WD45. The larger displacement engine with a longer stroke is going to produce more torque. When throttling back to reduce a spinning tire I think having that extra torque available might be an edge over the 15.
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Lonn
Orange Level Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Назарово,Russia Points: 29773 |
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My Dad would say a WD45 and I agree. Something almost magical about that tractor. Although my uncle showed up a 70 Deere when helping a friend of his to plow a field back in the 60's. My uncle had a D14 with 3x16 plow and the 70 also had a 3x16 plow but only the 14 coupld plow where it was wet. The 70 had to pull out. I guess my uncle was pretty proud of that 14.
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norm[ind]
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you can talk on this oneput mounted equipment on both an see which is the lightest on the front???lke a 4-6 row cult a 4row planters the 15 will out preform the 45 then
due to the axle geometry been there done that
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Lonn
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Edited by Lonn - 09 Jan 2011 at 8:48pm |
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mlpankey
Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Vols country Points: 4580 |
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I give the edge to the 15 series 2 simply on its drafting plus the power director is another advantage
Edited by mlpankey - 09 Jan 2011 at 6:39pm |
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Matt MN
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If you are doing any PTO work I would say the D15 would be more powerful.
But on a hard pull like plowing alfalfa the D15 wont keep up to a WD45. |
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Daehler
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Overall I think the D15 series 2. Has the two speed hand clutch, more speeds. Give it a edge at time. One things for sure is the WD 45 is a lot easier to get on. Just my opinion.
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Don(MO)
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I'd say the WD45 over the D-15 To Qute Mipankey "I live in the fantasy world where there is no replacement for displacement and the king who rules is named Compression"
The 45 has the bigger engine in it. That being said it will be hard on say for sure tell you put them back to back. lol
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3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.
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Bill Long
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bel Air, MD Points: 4556 |
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If I was forced to bet I would take the WD-45. And again I am doing this from memory. Why? More cubic inches (can't beat cu inc for raw power) Longer Stroke (torque power) lower RPM (more basic power). In all fairness the later tractors I sold, the D-15 included are what I used to call "souped up engines" Whereby smaller displacement engines would be "souped up" using higher RPM's and other "state of the art" attachements - roto caps and the like to increase power. I know for certain the 45 would outwork the 14 and even though the D-15II had a better engine I would still favor the 45.
Good Luck!
Bill long
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mlpankey
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AC WD45
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My WD45 (D17 kit, loaded tires, and set of wheel weights, wide front) will drag my neighbor's D17II (WF, Loaded tires, 2 set of wheel weights, loader) backwards in first gear via log chain but only if he spins out first.
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RichinWis
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At the end of the day when I crawl into bed after driving either of them I would certainly wish I had been driving the D15II with PS all day over the WD45 which usually didn't have PS. As for raw horsepower the 45 would win most of the time.
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WD45
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A few years ago I had 450 bu of dry corn in a gravity box being pulled by a D 15 series II.(factory 3 pt) One wheel of the wagon had dropped into a small hole. The D15 just spun when trying to move the wagon. I then unhooked the D15 hooking the WD45 gas unto the wagon. Put the 45 in second gear pulled the hand clutch back and we were moving. Both tractors had fluid in the tires . WD45 14:9X28 while D15 series II 14:9x26.The WD45 weighs 5100 pounds .Our WD45 diesel would out pull the Wd45 gas but one had to have the diesel wound up. |
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Eldon (WA)
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I would say that the WD45 would win on the "more cubes" argument....but I think a D15 SII with the extra gears would probably out plow a WD45. I think it would also use more fuel....and keep a guy busy with a hand on the pd. When I was a kid I got to haul silage wagons with our WD45D along with my uncle and his D15 Si Gasser....he would beat me with an empty wagon, but I would catch him with a full one....the good old days!
Edited by Eldon (WA) - 09 Jan 2011 at 9:26pm |
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David Maddux
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Boys, why don't we just put a WD45 engine in the D-15 series2 and end this discussion. Dave.
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Eldon (WA)
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AHA! A D17..... |
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Orange Blood
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How about a Twenty Two, and a D21? :-) Might need a better chain!!
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Sorry Two Twenty, what was I thinking
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DonDittmar
Orange Level Joined: 15 Sep 2009 Location: MIllersburg, MI Points: 2476 |
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D15 II is alot more convienient tractor to use, but the WD45 is alot more iron....I give it to the WD45.
Think of it like the 8N FORD with the V8 FUNK conversion. An 8N doesnt have enough iron to utilize 100HP, and if you staked enough weight on it to make it use it, you would pull it apart. Really the D15 II is not built to utilize the HP the 160 CID motor is making from a plowing standpoint, but its handy on the PTO.
Maybe larger loaded tires on the D15 II......................... Edited by DonDittmar - 10 Jan 2011 at 8:09am |
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ac45
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no replacement for displacment
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JC-WI
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D17 engine with over bore and placed in a WD45 Diesel frame pulling 62 hp on pto (dynoed) could out work a D17...Just had to dump more fuel in oftener... and no comfort of PS or two spd... also had to weight it to keep the traction on the ground. Uncle used it for pulling wagons, disc, planter and odd jobs around the farm and would find it hooked to a 676 NH spreader (with side boards) most of the time in the summer. Had wheel weights bolted to side rails and in front to keep front end down. Then he traded it and his straight 190 diesel (with a blown apart diff.) in on a JD 4020D Powershift w/cozy cab. He said he wished he hadn't traded the 45 in.
He bought the 190 because he wanted to do some fall plowing. A local dealer brought it & a plow out and tried plowing the frozen ground. It was hard plowing but did the job and uncle turned his land over.
After he traded the 190 and 45 for the 4020, he bought an XT with cab and used the XT & 4020 for several years then traded XT in on a 4620 syncro which got traded for a new 4630 PS. Later yet his son bought a Ford 8600 which was soon replaced with another used 4630 PS .
Whoops, didn't contribute to the WD45 verses D15 thread. Ok ... neighbor came over and chopped hay for us one year with D15... had a little troubles with it and we hooked 45 onto chopper and Dad chopped part of a day while the 15 was being looked at. First gear eveything trickled right along, second gear was almost to much for chopper..alright, tractor would struggle some in heavy wads. D15 was always down in low gear in between low and high range. The WD, well that might have never got out of 1st gear, an maybe might have had to slip the hand clutch too if it had been put on the chopper.
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Charlie175
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Shenandoah, VA Points: 6351 |
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D15!
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Charlie
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RMD
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Really wasn't the D-17 the replacement for the WD-45 with the D-15 equivalent being more like the WD category?
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TedBuiskerN.IL.
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Hook a 4-14 plow behind the D15 and see how far you get with it. Then hook it behind a WD45 and go plow.
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Brian Jasper co. Ia
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I've seen Ted's video of him pulling 4 bottoms with his 45D. Sounds like it's talking pretty good. I doubt the 15 goes more than a few feet with the same rig. I still say the WD45 is going to have more torque rise than a D15. As soon as that D15 starts to spin out, there's no doubt in my mind that the 45 will win that tug of war.
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"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford
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Skyhighballoon(MO)
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Yes - agree the D17 was the evolution of the WD45...thought the D14 was the direct replacement for the CA then it evolved into the D15 & D15 Series II. Mike |
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Don(MO)
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bates City MO. Points: 6862 |
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My Dad's WD45 will out pull your Dad's D-15! No that's wrong maybe it's my Dad's D15 will out pull your Dad's WD45! No that not right. Now I have it, My Dad's tractor will out pull your Dad's tractor!!! lmao Don |
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3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.
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