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DiyDave 
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 Posted: 09 Feb 2021 at 7:46pm |
 FREEDGUY wrote:
DMiller wrote:
What I am awaiting is a Huge Solar Flare to erupt, hit our little rock with a Massive level energy burst and ALL this techno geek crap to fry in place. And YES that can happen.
Worst can happen is China explode a Neutron Weapon at 14,-30,000 feet over major metro areas, ALL electronics gear DIES, unresolvable. |
You do realize that fossil fuels are a FINITE source of energy ??? To my knowledge, there's no more dinosaurs that are being bred and fed out in a feedlot anymore ??  |
IS IT? Seems to me they have been sayin this for YEARS! And just like that, we figure out how to get gas outta shale. Fact really is is that as demand increases, price goes up, as price goes up, so does the profitability of new techniques of getting gas, where we couldn't get it before! That is, if the gubmint don't step in and ban everything that is proven to work!
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DMiller
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Posted: 10 Feb 2021 at 10:52am |
Still spewing ignorance I see. Gas comes from shale when use FRACKING, now NA. Oil and Gas fields are primarily US Federal Lands, also NA. So look again. Does NOT matter the price if that "Gubmint" says NO CAN GO THERE.
Wake up. Your 'dreamland' DOES NOT EXIST under Biden.
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Posted: 10 Feb 2021 at 11:04am |
The "AVERAGE" Single Cycle 80mw CTG system consumes the same amount of CNG per SECOND as a common home with NG Heat and Hot water does PER YEAR, a Combined Cycle with a Steam Generator aid system reduces that by less than 5%. I have seen the print outs as to consumption. So as CTGs became Popular to replace Coal Steam system sites they also REQUIRE Volumes of CNG that would require a 60" Pipeline across the Atlantic ocean as are NOT ENOUGH CNG Tankers to supply enough volume. Add to that the Price of Imported CNG is double NOW and will end up quadruple in short order where these little oil and gas consuming Dragons will sit unused without MASSIVE rate hikes. Electricity is about to come into Strides of Rate Hikes due to fuels costs and expenses NOT SUBSIDIZED expanding at exponential rates.
The math is easy on CNG use. HP is a relative value to fuels consumed BTU value, CNG has 1/5 the BTU value of Coal and just at 1/10 of petroleum.
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FREEDGUY
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Posted: 10 Feb 2021 at 6:07pm |
DMiller wrote:
Still spewing ignorance I see. Gas comes from shale when use FRACKING, now NA. Oil and Gas fields are primarily US Federal Lands, also NA. So look again. Does NOT matter the price if that "Gubmint" says NO CAN GO THERE.
Wake up. Your 'dreamland' DOES NOT EXIST under Biden. |
NOW WAIT A SECOND !! The OP talked about diesel/gasoline powered ENGINES, I didn't realize these 2 items could be sucked out of the ground and put DIRECTLY into a fuel tank ??!!! Your putting WAY too many words in peoples' mouths dude !!
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Posted: 10 Feb 2021 at 6:15pm |
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who said put DIRECTLY into the gas tank........... the FACTS are , if you STOP DRILLING, STOP MINING, STOP PUMPING... you end up with LIMITED SUPPLY of EVERYTHING.. diesel, gas, nat gas, coal, oil, propane.... EVERYTHING.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Coke-in-MN
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Posted: 10 Feb 2021 at 9:20pm |
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A few years back i got put on hauling diesel fuel out to Sioux Falls SD to a peaking electric plant where they were running turbines as Natural Gas was curtailed in use .
Had 10 trucks hauling from Pine Bend Refinery in Rosemount MN to there , then when empty got to tank farm in Sioux Falls and reload to bring back to plant .
They were burning over 8,000 gallons a hour which amounted to a truck and 1/2 , run up to the 14 hours and take 10 off to start running again , then the tank farm there ran out as pipeline could not supply the volume needed and the fuel shipped down it needed to be separated as water slug was used between products in pipeline and it needed separation . So I got to head back and they dispatched 15 more tankers from Rosemount to keep plant running until the natural gas supply could catch up.
Odd when it's real cold the wind gets calm and also it seems the amount of sunlight decreases - but everyone want's more heat and electric for their own use .
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Posted: 11 Feb 2021 at 3:04am |
Doesn't take much time to set the stage for a huge failure... You got one going right now.
and yes it is political, can't sidestep it when it is the direct cause and affect.
Just like mentioned before, look at California and see what is happening there.
No trucks before a certain year can come across their state line unless it meets their tier 3 emissions tests... Some locals require you to dispose of your old engines or decommision them by burning holes in the engines and cutting frames... Don't matter to the dictators if you were just keeping something for historical purposes, they have zero tolorences. And some places think they should have the ability to tax you for every cubic inch of all your engines... Don't think they can pass laws on you, many have already passed laws to rule and regulate what you can have and what you cannot have... You can not have any vehicles without current licenses on them... even in your storage sheds... ad some have only so many cars you can own... Some places you can't have your vehicle sitting out behind your shed or within so many hundreds or thousands of feet of some road or water... and some places require to drain all fluids out of them before storing them. All it takes is a few fools to pass a few laws and bye-bye to what freedoms you thought you had. How fast could this happen? Depends on who is in power, and how fast the ink dries. It could be 30 or more years, or tomorrow... It could be your tractors, could be your fuels... or both.
You don't think so? Just look how fast the pipeline was shut down. Bigger question is, will you have anything of your own when the time comes. 
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DMiller
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Posted: 11 Feb 2021 at 7:09am |
steve(ill) wrote:
who said put DIRECTLY into the gas tank........... the FACTS are , if you STOP DRILLING, STOP MINING, STOP PUMPING... you end up with LIMITED SUPPLY of EVERYTHING.. diesel, gas, nat gas, coal, oil, propane.... EVERYTHING. |
Precisely Steve. Many of my family still live outside of Vandalia IL, where the Bunker Oil fields still produce only that during low barrel prices they shut down the pump jacks. Nat Gas comes from Deep deposits, Gasoline and Diesel are in those same deposits as Crude Oil and the ONLY way to recover is fracking to get those materials to the well heads UNLESS Stupid enough to just buy from the Middle East. Offshore US is abundant reserves of petroleum, now BANNED by Exec Order. Deep Horizon managed to find a EXTREME Pressure reserve and failed so all offshore became Bad JUJU, not true but stigma hangs in the with the Garbage media types.
When electric shuts off and the Faux Media cannot express their ignorance to the masses they too will squawk and squall as to the misery presented by the Powers in Place. Just their position in life.
Edited by DMiller - 11 Feb 2021 at 7:11am
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