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CrestonM 
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Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 12:12am |
Anyone ever made one? I'm thinking of making one for mine, and using the power lift to raise/lower it (yes, I know I would have to be moving to operate the lift) It wouldn't be used for heavy duty work, maybe medium duty at the most. Pushing small brush piles together for burning, etc. My question is, would the power lift be durable enough for that? Or is this just a bad idea? Thanks
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AaronSEIA
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Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 5:50am |
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It'd probably do it. I had a cultivator on my WC once and it was flipping heavy. Maybe find an old snow plow blade off of a lighter duty pickup and combine it with an old Horn or New Idea straight arm loader frame. If you go that route, you could also put a PTO powered hyd pump and reservoir on it and then you'd know it would work.
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DrAllis
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Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 5:55am |
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You could add lift assist springs if the power lift isn't quite strong enough to handle the weight of the blade.
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Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 6:06am |
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Would also work better on a late WC with the rear end disconnect lever.
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AMB(wcIL)
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Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 7:15am |
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I saw a WC with a loader on it that the hydraulics were powered with a V belt pump running off the flat belt pulley. Andy
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Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 7:30am |
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The big problem with using a powerlift is it either up or down. You can't stop it in between. And you have to be moving to use the lift. I can tell you from personal experience when you got to close to the fence with the cultivator you can't back up with it still in the ground and can't go foward to lift it your stuck. Walk back to the shop get a jack and the fencing tools your gone need them. When I used my C for pushing snow it was pretty rare when allthe way down was usable until I got a good frozen ice layer to keep the blade from digging in.
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Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 4:33pm |
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Myers made a snow plow blade for the WC. Seems like the brackets fit the draw bar to provide the push. Seemed to work OK.;
In fact, we sold a V-plow on a WC. Measured it closely since it would completely clear the narrow driveways in a Catholic Home - Hospital. Worked well. I can't remember how we lifted it. If I can recall we may have mounted a hyd pump and lift on it.
May want to check with them.
Good Luck!
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Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 4:53pm |
You can get small hyd power units from several suppliers that are battery run electric motors and self contained hyd systems made for snow plows . Or like on a Jeep I had with a Myers plow - I used a GM power steering pump as it had built in bypass system with valve in pump for pressure control and bypass . just needed a control valve in system to send oil to plow cylinder or return to tank .
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Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 5:59pm |
http://vintageprojects.com/tractors/grader.pdf
I wonder if I could concoct something like this, but on the front? I may just have to make it manual lift with counterbalance springs, since I don't have a bunch of $$$ to fork into hydraulics.
Or...if I could use the power lift to raise and lower it, but have a hand lift mechanism that would set the depth. Don't try to picture what I'm talking about, because I don't even know what it would look like! But the idea would be a device that you can use the hand lift to adjust the stopping point, so it will only drop so far.
Edited by CrestonM - 13 Nov 2016 at 6:05pm
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Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 6:51pm |
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I had a Farmall A with a GM power steering pump like Coke mentioned. Put the cylinder by the gas tank to lift the mower. Put it in front of the grill to lift the blade. I pushed five yds of gravel into the barn for the floor and smoothed it out with the blade. Worked real well, and it was live hydraulics.
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Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 7:21pm |
Ok guys...I'm listening to your PS pump suggestions. How about this...(Since the WC is unstyled and doesn't have a battery) I looked online a little. If I could get an old GM pump, and run it off the belt pulley on the WC (Mine already has a V pulley on it for some reason), then would I just need some hose, a valve, and a cylinder to run the blade? If so, this doesn't seem like too hard a project. Opinions/advice? What kind of valve would I need? (I've never messed with hydraulic systems before, except I worked a little on the 8N's, but that's a totally different animal) Thanks!
PS.- If that's the way to go, I could salvage those parts off a 1980 Chevy Scottsdale that's been in the pasture since the 90's.
Edited by CrestonM - 13 Nov 2016 at 7:24pm
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Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 7:47pm |
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If you are going to use a PS pump, put it up front and run it off the fan belt, or add a double pulley on the cranckshaft like the 45PS pulley so you have live hydraulics. The belt pulley stops when you push the clutch in.
That pulley on the WC was used to run the fans on the mounted corn picker. I have one here off the parts tractor.
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Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 7:47pm |
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Problem with running off the belt pulley, whenever you disengage the clutch the pump stops. Better to drive it off the engine fan belt for continuous operation. JMHO
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Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 7:50pm |
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Charlie. As we were typing together, it's a good thing we were sayin' about the same thing!!l LOL
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