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Slim 
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Posted: 13 Jan 2015 at 11:38am |
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Well guys, I'm kind of in a bind here. I bought a '71 Allis 170 gas for a great price in good condition. It does not currently run and the rear rims are spun all the way out. It is still on the owners property. As it stands, the tractor is 8ft. wide in the back so I will not be able to haul it home unless I can figure out a way to spin the rims back in. My trailer is 6ft. wide. My questions are these, can the rims be spun in without the tractor being under power? What tools will I need to adjust the rims (socket size, breaker bar)? As a side note, I have no way of getting my hands on a bed over trailer at this point, which would solve the problem. Thanks in advance.
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 13 Jan 2015 at 11:52am |
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hmm.. haven't done this but...
If you loosen off the 'adjusters'(whatever you call them) and pull the tractor with it in gear, I'm thinking the wheels will move in to 'narrow' position ?
Someone has to have tried it ! Too blessed cold for me to try on my D-14.
just be careful !
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AJ
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Posted: 13 Jan 2015 at 12:12pm |
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Swap the whole centers and tires around side to side till you get it home.
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jiminnd
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Posted: 13 Jan 2015 at 12:14pm |
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Have seen it done, loosen that clamps, jack tractor up and somewhere in the rim get a long bar stuck in and spin the tire and rim with the bar while the wheel center is locked, may take some force and a long bar but can be done.
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DrAllis
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Posted: 13 Jan 2015 at 12:18pm |
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I don't think it will be down to 6 ft wide when spun in all the way. ^ 6 ft 6 inch yes......6 FT ??? I don't think so.
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Slim
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Posted: 13 Jan 2015 at 12:32pm |
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So does the tractor need to move forward or backwards in order to make the rims spin in?
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Posted: 13 Jan 2015 at 1:19pm |
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Forward for one side, backwards for the other. If it doesn't run and you can get everything loose on the rim (locks and stops) I would jack it up with brakes locked and spin wheel by hand. It may take some force to get it to move. Throw the inner wheel stop in the tool box so you can spin the rim in all the way.
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HD6GTOM
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Posted: 13 Jan 2015 at 1:31pm |
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Do what Grinder says, I've done it many times. Usually does not take much force to move the wheel after the clamps are loosened up.
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nella(Pa)
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Posted: 13 Jan 2015 at 1:33pm |
Take off the necessary stop and loosen the eccentrics on the wheel, lock the brake for that wheel and tow the tractor in the direction it takes to move the wheel in. Tow in the opposite direction for the other side.
Left side -tow forward.
Edited by nella(Pa) - 13 Jan 2015 at 3:22pm
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Eldon (WA)
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Posted: 13 Jan 2015 at 2:42pm |
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I've done it by jacking up one side at a time and grabbing the lugs of the tire and jerking it. Sometimes I rotate the wheel 180 degrees and try again. Make sure the stops are removed...they can be the biggest bugger if rusted. 3/4" socket w/ extensions for them, I believe 1 1/8" or 1 1/4" socket for the wedges, I've seen both size nuts.
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Posted: 13 Jan 2015 at 3:04pm |
Slim= FYI Eldon is well known for just changing tires/wheels around on his many different tractors just to see how they look. (I think that's the reason!)
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Posted: 13 Jan 2015 at 3:20pm |
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Thank you Eldon!
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Posted: 13 Jan 2015 at 3:23pm |
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I have done that to a CA once. Jacked wheel up and left in gear and used wd-40 on rails and jerked tire back and forth by hand.
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Posted: 13 Jan 2015 at 3:25pm |
 macvette wrote:
Slim= FYI <span style="line-height: 1.5;"> Eldon is well known for just changing tires/wheels around on his many different tractors just to see how they look.</span><span style="line-height: 1.5;"> (I think that's the reason!)</span> <span style="line-height: 1.5;">
</span> <span style="line-height: 1.5;">I would think he is well versed in how to do it!</span> |
Geez, now ya put me on the spot....so I guess I should elaborate a little more. These wedge type wheels don't slide on the rails near as easy as the old eccentric types. You don't want to loosen them too much or they will cock and dig into the rail. Using power to adjust them, I rarely get them to spin out (or in) without reversing direction or driving ahead 180 degrees to get them to "uncock". That is why I would not try dragging the tractor to try to move the wheels in...you will wind up pulling it both ways a few times before you get the job done. With it jacked up you can take a look at the situation and loosen here and there, rotate a little, jerk a little....eventually you will get them moved. I used to haul my 170 gasser w/18.4 x 28's on a carhauler type trailer and it fit between the fenders with the wheels set all the way in. I think most trailers are the same width between fenders. Good luck!
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