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jaybmiller
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Posted: 12 Mar 2023 at 8:08am |
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DMiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 29521 |
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After looking back realized that, but message was already gone!! Oh well.
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bigal121892
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I think that was sarcasm.
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DMiller
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You do understand these 'Reflective Panels' are On The Ground? That reflected Heat DISSIPATES thru the Atmosphere into said atmosphere so has little to no chance of reaching space with much of any value. Another of the CC Group claims that holds water like a Collander.
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DaveKamp
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The good thing about snow on solar panels, is that the snow reflects sunlight back out into space... which is unlike trees, grass, plants, asphalt roads, rooftops, and solar farms, which absorb solar energy and inevitably, result in heat. Solar panels, being dark, absorb solar energy, but only a small portion becomes photovoltaic yield, MOST of the solar absorption is converted localized heat, which contributes significantly to local temperature. So as long as they're well-covered with snow, they're preventing global warming... Once they're uncovered, regardless of wether they're operating, they're contributing to climate change. What we need, is a more assertive ice age. Let's start a go-fund-type program to help pay for an ice age. We can start by building an induction coil around the equator, connect it to an inverter powered by solar cells, and run some low frequency AC through it to nullify what's left of the earth's magnetosphere (it is degrading now, as we're starting another pole reversal)... that will allow such a significant rise in solar absorption that the oceans will evaporate faster, causing moisture to travel to the poles, freeze and fall as snow and ice, and as those caps build, the temperate zones will migrate south, bringing glaciation south into north Georgia, the Texas panhandle, all of Arizona, and most of California... After a few hundred millenia, when the magnetic polarity of the earth finishes reversing, and has reached about 50-or-so degrees inclination the other way, the magnetosphere will rebuild, blocking all those crazy DNA-scrambling gamma-rays, icebergs will break off and float into the Caribbean, and whatever mutants survive, can ride bamboo bicycles to Lowe's and buy $1300 lawn chairs...
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Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest.
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bigal121892
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The solar panels are a great way to have electricity when no other source is available, i.e. pasture wells, hunting cabin, electric fencer, etc. But until the price/kilowatt generated comes down, they are not cost effective for normal everyday usage. Looked at putting them on our house, with a five day battery backup, they would have paid for themselves about the time they needed to be replaced. That's not to say that some time down the road, someone will figure out how to make them cheaper and more efficient, but that day isn't today.
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DMiller
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On news last night, was a short and quick excerpt from a Liberal, stated All that needs to happen with renewables is more subsidy so it can be cheaper for more users to buy in. They do not even hear themselves speak.
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jaybmiller
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re: Holy crimeny! How long have solar panels been on the market, 4 decades now? over 6 decades that 60+ years.... I used them to charge up my battery powered tube radios when I was young.....
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Walker
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: oh Points: 8083 |
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I don't see any reason some of these new illegals couldn't keep a magnifier glass focused on the panels. Help earn a little of their keep.
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steve(ill)
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The trouble i see with solar is GOVT CHOOSING WINNERS AND LOOSERS.. They are intentionally putting COAL out of business and subsidizing the solar/ wind mill..
I dont think the govt put candles or fuel lamps out of service while SUBSIDIZING LIGHT BULBS..... thats the difference...... If solar is a GOOD IDEA, it will PAY FOR ITSELF thru private money... NOT the GOVT picking who wins.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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jvin248
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. One method to fix the snow accumulation and dust loss and tracking losses is buy additional panels. Inverters will be about as much as the panels. I'm doing a ground mount and getting a tractor car port out of it. I was looking at a whole house nat gas generator or backup solar and went the solar path. No control over nat gas, but I do over solar. .
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Trinity45
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All I know is we have a weather station that is run by solar panels and we have to go sweep off the panels or the batteries start to drain.
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DiyDave
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Alla these solar panels as good as the Solyndra ones a certain president bought?
Oh yeah, he never got any. But we got the bill fer what, like a half a billion $ ?
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DMiller
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So you would know something a Engineer in the field wouldn't?
BTW, MEMC Corp was instrumental in the LATEST Recipe for Solar Panels upon Silicon Wafer for BEST Availed power production. In the last Four Decades up to fourteen different cells had been produced, ALL as or more toxic than the last. A small article on MEMC a Copany that no longer exists. Edited by DMiller - 02 Feb 2023 at 5:49pm |
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TramwayGuy
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“… long have solar panels been on the market, 4 decades now?”
How long were radio tubes on the market? How long were incandescent lamps on the market? How long were Cathode Ray Tubes on the market? …more than 4 decades also, before something better came along? |
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DMiller
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Figured YOU would be that Stupid. We are at MAX Threshold of efficacy with Solar Cells, that from a MEMC (Look that up) Engineer my wife worked with and now works for INTEL. All the BS and Games of Words plays out is Nothing Better or more efficient that what is presently available and by Science basis NOTHING else any better. Only way to make cheaper is Third World production. Minerals, glass, base compounds for Array as Cadmium Arsenic Selenium and YES ALL are TOXIC. Of the two dozen people my wife worked with On Solar Cells Product Engineering, and she is also in the possible contaminated, NINE have Died PANCREATIC Cancers, all before 55 y.o. Six are being treated for that, suspect is Cadmium or Selenium Poisoning.
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Lars(wi)
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Holy crimeny! How long have solar panels been on the market, 4 decades now? |
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I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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steve(ill)
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Especially if you TAX COAL and make MORE LAWS to RESTRICT POWER PLANTS from producing Electricity.....Its not the "COST OF THE PANEL"... Its the EFFICIENCY and FREE CHEESE SUBSIDY they get to install them... Over and Over and Over..
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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TramwayGuy
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The good news is that solar panels will get less expensive and better as the technology improves. So replacement will be a viable option.
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Ray54
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To bad O'l Al is not sharing more of the profits with you.
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Walker
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Al Gore and myself have pioneered the coal fired heater technique of keeping solar panels snow free.
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DMiller
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All renewables are subject to deficiencies in imparted energy to make energy with, Low to NO Winds Wind Turbines, Drier than normal so no refill of water Hydro, and low value sunlight or low on horizon off season when need it more than just Summer. Winds can also be too intense fans will self protect shut down, solar station near New Florence does move to collect as much as possible yet currently is only producing around 3/5 design value due to clouds, filth, low sunlight time value. When really cold is also self protects as wiring gets brittle so will secure until sun adequately heats up panels, can take up to 1/4 of the day if happens at all, That from the line crew that services the site. And YES Solar Panels do degrade over time. Solar array at O'Fallon MO is only 10 years old, lost close to 10% of discharge energy value in last two years, predictions are will have to replace panels at 18-20 as are seeing degrade swing exponential down increasing with each passing year faster. Will still make power just no longer a viable power level.
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DanWi
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It was so cloudy here in January the solar lights at the end of the driveway only light up for an hour or 2 if at all. Makes me think solar panels wouldn't be putting out that much power either then.
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DonDittmar
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Wind, solar, and hydroelectric are OK to a point. I still say a wind farm is wash of red ink and they will never generate enough power to make up for what was spent in energy to build and install them in the first place but whatever.
If we want a RELIABLE power grid it will need some sort of "fossil fuel" plant in it. If we took all "non green" power plants offline we would all be sitting in the dark staring at a wall
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DMiller
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I still cannot see if living on small to median parcel of ground that the panels MUST go on a roof.
See numbers of them on free standing frames and yet speaking to those owners they will not pay for themselves in their lifetimes. Mid sixties adding panels and understand they could be dead and buried before see any return of notable value. |
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Kansas99
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You guys are just upset because it took a spammer to point out if your roof would be at a slight angle the snow would just slide off and you wouldn't have to be up there shoveling all the time.
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"LET"S GO BRANDON!!"
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DiyDave
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DMiller
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True true true
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jaybmiller
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SPAM SPAM SPAM....
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