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My First Tractor! D17... But which series? |
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Strokendiesel002
Silver Level Joined: 04 Apr 2019 Location: 53158 Points: 252 |
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Thanks Sugarmaker! Pretty excited to put around the property and mow stuff down!
More progress tonight... Successfully removed the crank pulley without breaking it!!! Got a puller squared up and put a fair amount of pressure, then heated as evenly as possible with a smallish rosebud torch. Popped 1/8" and repeat, used a 2x4 to hold the crank steady when applying pressure. It certainly wasn't a fast process, but it worked! |
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8168 |
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Looks like you have a project! I will be watching! Congrats on the D17 joining the family. It sounds like it needs lots of love and attention too. Mine is setting in my sons garage (lean to).
Regards, Chris
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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Strokendiesel002
Silver Level Joined: 04 Apr 2019 Location: 53158 Points: 252 |
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Update!
Head and flywheel were dropped off at machine shop and full sleeve and gasket kit was ordered. Hoping to get said parts by Thursday for reassembly! Wife and kids are out of town, so I'm really pushing to have engine read for install by Saturday morning, as they're coming back Saturday night! I really want to replace the main bearings, since I've got it this far apart, but I'm deathly afraid of cracking the crank pulley... Any tips? My cheap puller was kind of stripped (pressure bolt) from an outboard project and is now completely stripped. So if I gotta buy something, I want to buy the right thing. Pics! Edited by Strokendiesel002 - 21 Apr 2019 at 9:25pm |
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Strokendiesel002
Silver Level Joined: 04 Apr 2019 Location: 53158 Points: 252 |
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Thanks AD, will do!
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Allis dave
Orange Level Joined: 10 May 2012 Location: Northern IN Points: 2857 |
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I'd say keep this one alive, you've already got a good story going.
Good luck on your rebuild.
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Strokendiesel002
Silver Level Joined: 04 Apr 2019 Location: 53158 Points: 252 |
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Alright, I split her in two, pulled the blue color and then bolted her back together in case my uncle needs to move her. Need to buy a memory card for my phone and then I can text myself the pictures and upload them. Just wanted to give an update that this project isn't dead. Should I ask for a re-title or start a new thread?
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Strokendiesel002
Silver Level Joined: 04 Apr 2019 Location: 53158 Points: 252 |
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Separated the manifold from the head... Yeesh
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Strokendiesel002
Silver Level Joined: 04 Apr 2019 Location: 53158 Points: 252 |
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Well... I made it over today to fill the cylinders with ATF and Acetone. Cylinders 1,2&4 looked better than yesterday, 3 is near the top and was strangely cruddy, thought I had found the guilty party and rejoiced! Soaked up the oil we dumped in yesterday before leaving, 12&3 were easy to dry out, but I just couldn't get #4 dry, and I could've swore we got all the coolant out yesterday... Turns out, we thought we had, but the hairline fracture in the middle of the sleeve previously hidden by crud is helping to ensure a constant supply of coolant right back in.
So, I'm thinking that I figured out how the pushrod got bent- fuel gummed up carb and tractor got parked. Some time a winter or few later it was determined that the tractor was parked in an inconvenient spot and during the first attempt to turn her over, hydro lock on cylinder 4 with a bending of the pushrod. Determine that it's not really in the way and we'll mess with it later. Decade goes by and here we are! Looks like it's getting an overhaul! On the plus side, I checked the hydraulics c fluid level and it was not only in the hash marks, but looked pretty decent! Hopefully there won't be any surprises when we spool that side up :) Edited by Strokendiesel002 - 07 Apr 2019 at 6:44pm |
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Strokendiesel002
Silver Level Joined: 04 Apr 2019 Location: 53158 Points: 252 |
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Yes, but as there was also water in the case, I was thinking it may be beneficial to try and give the bearings a little soak. I wasn't concerned with the bottom part of the sleeve as the water pushed the oil up :)
Thank you for ensuring I understood. I should have been more clear in my question. |
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DrAllis
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 19601 |
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On top of each piston. That's where it is "stuck".
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Strokendiesel002
Silver Level Joined: 04 Apr 2019 Location: 53158 Points: 252 |
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Thank you guys! I'm going to try and get over to it to fill it up today!
Maybe I'll give her a go next weekend then. Would you fill the crank with this mix or kerosene to try and clean it/ break free? |
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tractorboy
Silver Level Joined: 03 Oct 2009 Location: southern Va Points: 448 |
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Just got my 58 d-17 going after a complete rebuild, Like Aaron says 50/50 mix of acetone & ATF willbreah it loose. It worked for me on a CA that sat outside 25yrs !! Congrats on your new tractor !!! keith so, va,
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AaronSEIA
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Mt Pleasant, IA Points: 2534 |
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Put a 50/50 mix of acetone and atf in the cylinders and wait a long time. Might get lucky and have them loosen up. AaronSEIA
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Strokendiesel002
Silver Level Joined: 04 Apr 2019 Location: 53158 Points: 252 |
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I suppose that's better than bending a connecting rod :)
I normally wouldn't hesitate to tear something all the way apart, but I was hoping it could wait a few years until my boys are old enough to do a complete resto with me. We'll find out what happens next weekend. I don't think I'm getting to it tomorrow... Later today and this week is pretty well jammed with work. I suppose it's time to stop shopping for parts and go to sleep. Thank you everyone for following along and sharing your thoughts/ knowledge! |
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DanD
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: WI Points: 856 |
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You could push a sleeve up out of the block turning the crank with stuck pistons and no head on but it's probably what you'll be doing anyway.
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Strokendiesel002
Silver Level Joined: 04 Apr 2019 Location: 53158 Points: 252 |
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Thank you BA, I most certainly will be gentle, picking back and forth by hand, unless there's a better way?
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BillinAlberta
Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Saskatchewan Points: 330 |
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Be very careful.Many connecting rods have been bent this way.
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Strokendiesel002
Silver Level Joined: 04 Apr 2019 Location: 53158 Points: 252 |
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Dr - yeah, I noticed that it doesn't look like most of the D17's I've seen... Gonna be working on that after I get her up and running
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Strokendiesel002
Silver Level Joined: 04 Apr 2019 Location: 53158 Points: 252 |
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Well, Cylinder 4 forward pushrod is bent and even with the head removed, she ain't turning by hand. Gonna take the head to the shop for a fresh up. May try to put it into gear and move it back and forth a bit to see if it'll budge. Otherwise I'll be dropping the pan, unbolting the rods and trying to work them out for a honing... Unless anyone has a better suggestion?
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DrAllis
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 19601 |
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That seat assembly makes me laugh !! So, instead of overhauling and repairing the excellent and original suspension, we graft on a piece-o-crap setup like that !! Whoo Hoo !!
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Strokendiesel002
Silver Level Joined: 04 Apr 2019 Location: 53158 Points: 252 |
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Pictures as promised!
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Strokendiesel002
Silver Level Joined: 04 Apr 2019 Location: 53158 Points: 252 |
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Well, my uncle just pulled the plugs and there cylinder 4 is full of coolant... Hopefully just head gasket?
Also drained the oil and there was probably an additional gallon of fluid in there that shouldn't have been Anyone know of a place near Pleasant Prairie WI that may have some parts laying on a shelf? Haha... But seriously, I'll drive a ways tomorrow morning lol Edited by Strokendiesel002 - 05 Apr 2019 at 8:19pm |
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Strokendiesel002
Silver Level Joined: 04 Apr 2019 Location: 53158 Points: 252 |
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Thank you guys!
Plan for tomorrow I to change all fluids and see if she wants to come back to life! I'll be sure to take pictures and report back! |
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Joe(TX)
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Weatherford. TX Points: 1682 |
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1970 190XT, 1973 200, 1962 D-19 Diesel, 1979 7010, 1957 WD45, 1950 WD, 1961 D17, Speed Patrol, D14, All crop 66 big bin, 180 diesel, 1970 170 diesel, FP80 forklift. Gleaner A
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Ted J
Orange Level Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: La Crosse, WI Points: 18728 |
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Oh yeah, WELCOME TO THE FORUM!!!
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"Allis-Express"
19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
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Ted J
Orange Level Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: La Crosse, WI Points: 18728 |
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This is the place to go look up if you want something about these tractors. It's a big help MOST of the time. Gives a wealth of knowledge about all makes of tractors.
http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/000/0/1/18-allis-chalmers-d17.html Lower left corner gives the serial numbers and years made and shows each series. HTHs |
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"Allis-Express"
19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
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exSW
Orange Level Joined: 21 Jul 2017 Location: Pennsylvania Points: 914 |
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Easiest way to resize pictures on your phone. Text it to yourself. Comes back sized.
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Brian G. NY
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: 12194 Points: 2198 |
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3/4"
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AaronSEIA
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Mt Pleasant, IA Points: 2534 |
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The AC uses 3/4". Not sure it matters if you are starting from scratch. I think the hole in the pedestal would take a 1" shaft. As long as the hub adapter bolts up. The holes are 2 3/4" on center. AaronSEIA AaronSEIA
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Strokendiesel002
Silver Level Joined: 04 Apr 2019 Location: 53158 Points: 252 |
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Awesome!
Aaron - I'll be reading up on that shortly! Brian - Thank you!!! I believe I read somewhere that Ford had a 3/4" and 1" option... do you recall which you chose?
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