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Is a cool running powerful 426 Possible? |
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shieldslx13
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Posted: 10 Apr 2019 at 8:00am |
My 220 will be getting the same setup and a front mount air/air intercooler
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shieldslx13
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Old vs new intake crossover |
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Finally got rid of the garden hose that was running to the ic
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injpumpEd
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this one could be one of the odd ones that has cam gear slipped of something odd like that. Trust us all when we say, that isn't normal for a 426 to act like that lol! That must be one hot 7000 lol!
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210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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shieldslx13
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I am fully aware a 220 is 136, just making a point of how hot the 7000 is. The previous boost #'s were 14-16 2550 under full load. 8-9 at 1600. Now it's 14 at 1600 and 18-20 at 2550. I appriciate all the feedback guys. I've built quite a few engines. I've already replaced all gaskets more than onnce. Also coated the intake with starting fluid trying to find a leak.
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Jordan(OH)
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You have one sick 220 if a 130hp 7000 will "handle" it. Btw, a 220 is rated at 136.
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DrAllis
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Yeah, well I'm just waiting for the first sunny 90 degree day working the snot out of it to hear how the new turbo and coolant temps are doing. Nowhere in all your posts did you ever say how much boost this tractor would produce when under load. I'm beginning to think you had (or still have) a leaking intercooler gasket to the cylinder head or a (now replaced) rubber hose on the crossover tube. They do fail and they still run....just not as good as they should run. That would explain lazy slower RPM performance and would contribute to the heating problem. The newer and more modern/efficient turbo is masking the air leak because it moves more air.
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CALEBnOK
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Our D21 35 years ago made 150hp 200rpm under factory rated rpm.
We've run every brand under they sun and never had a complaint in the hp department with allis. |
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injpumpEd
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There's definitely something not right with your 426, and the Holset is just band aid fixing the issue, which is fine, as long as it performs. I wonder if the exhaust manifold gaskets are on backwards? Another great turbo for replacing others is the H1C originally intended for 5.9L Cummins in tractors such as White 120/140, 125/145, and various Maxxums. It would be a bit small for a 426 in a 7080 I think. A really great turbo, but expensive, is the S200 supercore series. Finally the turbo companies are feeding the need for smaller turbos. Impressive lineup of tractors too by the way!
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210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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shieldslx13
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I'm in Georgetown Ky, But the farm is in Lancaster ky. th HX35 was originally intended for a 6.5 GM(no laughing please) to go in a 2 ton Chevy that had a 366. Projects like that had to be shelved after our Dad died. I'm going to get one for the 220 but I'm worried its a little too big. I know everyone keeps saying its a maintenance problem but we have as follows; 7080, 7060, 220, 190XT, 200, 1950T, 7000 AC (that's gotta be making 130HP, it will handle the 220 any day of the week) G900MM, 1355 Oliver(actually 585 Moline with DI instead of the old Lanova system), 7600 Ford, 5000 Ford, 3000 Ford, 8N, IH140, two 1466 IH Combines, WD45, (on top of my brothers 24 valve and common rail trucks). All of these run tip top. I'm not trying to bad mouth the 426, but the 301 is one of the finest running Diesels ever created. The AC 426's were the only ones that consistently ran hot, with no power down low. The HX35 was a game changer for the 7080, and I'm hoping it will have the same effect on the others. For the starting problem, when I talked to Bob King (I think it was him) he told me he never met an Allis that would start without Starting fluid when its cold.
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Tbone95
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If you have an engine that's running hotter and hotter the longer/harder it's being used, what difference does opening up the thermostat earlier make? That doesn't make sense to me. My 7045 ran hot, but was a bad radiator. Had it recored, and when recored had the extra row built in. Works great now. Personally, I think the whole foam thing is kind of retarded. I mean it is very critical for functional cooling, just the concept and maintenance of it is retarded. One of those "personality of the machine" things I guess, and accept.
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Lonn
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Didn't read every reply but did you get advise from someone on putting on the HX35 turbo? Meaning, was this something someone else had experience with? My 7050 has never overheated since I've owned it but my brother's 7030 would. It had two scored sleeves/pistons though and after an overhaul and a rodded radiator it has been zero trouble. My L2 with a 426 has never had a heating issue either. Anyhow the HX35 turbo sounds like an interesting update to the 7080.
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orangeman69
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we have a d21 series 2, a 210 and 7060,no troubles whatsoever with running hot,just commonsense maintenance and also we put 160 degree thermostats in.. made a big difference..
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oldways
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This has certainly been one of the most entertaining threads I've read on here ! What part of KY are you in?
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shieldslx13
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And Ill try to get some pics from my brother but I'll definitely get them next time I go to the farm.
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shieldslx13
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Took a bit of modifying, but worth it. It's like a different tractor. At 2550 it is a bit stronger, but its got 80 percent more power at 1600
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Ron(AB)
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Excellent!
Did it bolt right up without any mods? Pic? Keep us informed on the 7060 & 220 when they get the update. You may be starting a new trend! |
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shieldslx13
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UPDATE: Its been a long time, but I thought you might want an update...I received a call from my brother yesterday and gave me an update on the 7080 that together we put an HX35 (brand new one) on about a month ago. His words were "today I drove a turbocharged Allis 426 for the first time". He was so excited. Before this I kid you not, If it was below 2000 rpm it would not pull itself up a hill. And it has had 2 new turbo's on it (factory). Before we did this he said if it got no better he was going to sell and just go get an IH. For history, we have a 436 in an IH combine that will sing at 2700 rpm, start, and has GOBBS of power. Also due to not dumping loads of fuel without burning it, his EGT's were about 400 degrees cooler so it just sat on the thermostat the whole time. I know everyone is going to say the previous factory turbos were bad, but I asure you they were not. He said at 1600 rpm he could walk up a hill with 14lbs of boost!!!!! No black smoke. I believe the 7060 and 220 will be getting similar turbos. Also, I recently purchase a 4.8l 2000 Silverado with a 5 speed, 246k miles and changed the oil after 3k and it looks like it came out of the jug. (just gotta brag to someone who can appreciate old equipment that runs good, harder than you think!)
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brandon190
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Yah that's about 3.5 hors from me
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Mikez
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Oh ok we're near Albany
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brandon190
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Right outside Corning |
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Welcome to the forum to both of you. Brandon what part of ny are you from
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SteveM C/IL
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I think mines a 70 model. Don't remember ser# and it's up the road.
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Calvin Schmidt
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SteveM I don't think my 220 has the fast fourth. It's a real early one serial 1052.
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Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed
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tornado8070
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The difference between a 6 row and 7 row recore was roughly $150 last summer when I had my 8070 recored. Anyone be not willing to do this shouldn’t be pissin n moaning a tractor not staying cool. There are many other factors need to be considered that may also cause tractors to run warm. But for what I do custom baling on hot summer days the extra $150 is money well spent in demanding environments. Dr Allis we have been round about this before. I don’t understand why you are so against a 7 row of tubes....imo back in the day AC should have had these kids Installled from new. Back in the 80’s when these were new it surly wouldn’t have added more than $75 cost to build an 8070. I I sure as heck wouldn’t have been out buying a tractor strictly by radiator compacity. Ever AC tractor I’ve ever bought was in need of recore. This tells me they may have been undersized from new. |
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CrestonM
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I just got my first diesel this year, and it's a 301 non-turbo, so I'm still pretty new to the diesel world. I've combined with an L3 (426 engine) putting out 158 (-ish) horsepower, and it runs great, but...it's only got 1,400 hours on it. I've always looked at the 426 as a great engine, as long as they're not turned up too much like on the early 7080s and Gleaner N6.
Is there truth to the rods being weak and undersized? I did a quick search online and found this on an IH website, " If you pull a rod out of the AC you will find a straight cut rod cap as opposed to the IH 400 series and most other inline diesels with the angle cut cap. AC did this and had to sacrifice rod diameter and bolt size to pass the rod through the bore. The angle rod/cap can be much larger diameter and pass through the same sleeve" Edited by CrestonM - 16 Jan 2019 at 4:37pm |
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AllisFreak MN
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I just picked up a 1975 7040 last year and love it so far. Now all this 426 talk has me a little concerned. It has unknown hours but runs cool and smokes very little.
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SteveM C/IL
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Calvin,you got me wondering...have you got the fast 4 gear? Is 6th the same in all 220's? Mine is set @170 & torques 210 and I don't believe I could pull 24ft in 6th with it in the ground. My old Wil-Rich 24ft was a load in 5th at 3in depth. |
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