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Posted: 18 May 2025 at 9:14pm |
Allis guys, Update on the old WZ. Cheryl and I took it to local tractor pull. 3500, 3750, and 4000 lb classes. The day was cool and cloudy. Track had not been dug up. No speed limit. Bragging rights only. Not many tractors in these classes. 60 total hooks for the culb for the first pull of the season. I choose to use second gear. The WZ pulled strong, and did everything I expected. Placing first twice and second place in the other class. So on a dryer harder track, second gear worked good. A wet sticky track I need to be in low gear. Was good to get out and play in the dirt too!
Regards, Chris and Cheryl
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Posted: 05 Sep 2024 at 9:40am |
Allis folks, Tested on the WZ last night a local fair tractor pull. I removed 1000 lbs and pulled in the 3500 lb class. Tractor ran fine in low gear on a medium stick track. Not many front ends were in the air. In hind sight which is always wonderful, I may have done better in the 4500 lb class, with some additional weight on the back. It spun out way before the 300 foot mark. Ok so we have another pull tomorrow night. I think I will load the weight back on and try it in low gear again?
Not sure what these green things are? In the background is my friend Jim unloading his new to him Cockshutt 20. He got first in the 3000 lb class! There were 147 hooks at this fair pull.
Another wide front Allis at the pull. sorry for the blurry pic.
It is a lot to ask that Cheryl hangs in there for these long winded events! She does really well tolerating me and my old hobbies! Regards, Chris and Cheryl
Edited by Sugarmaker - 05 Sep 2024 at 9:45am
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Posted: 29 Aug 2024 at 1:40am |
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Lynn, Folks, Yes you're correct! The previous owner or before had installed the clutch backwards! So it can happen! No noise now and it shifts as it should with the foot clutch depressed. Regards, Chris and Cheryl
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Posted: 29 Aug 2024 at 1:28am |
Allis folks, A couple shots where I did open the hand clutch area and do a visual check:
It looked about as good as any WD clutches that I have seen. Buttoned it back up and called it good. It did not slip when I pulled Monday night. The tractor driver did not do well in the Wattsburg tractor pulls.
I tried second gear and the track was to sticky for that. I should have been in low gear. Had fun getting out and testing the WZ. Neither of the clutches slipped as I ran out of power. I may have had the adjustable needle screw turned in too far on the carb?
Another fair pull in Wattsburg this coming Wednesday. So we can test on it again. Would really like to get the great grandson on this tractor at the local Albion fair in 3 weeks too. He just turned 12 and with a little more practice he could pull this Allis in the 3500 lb class. He plans to pull the Ford Jubliee.
Regards, Chris and Cheryl
Edited by Sugarmaker - 29 Aug 2024 at 1:30am
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Posted: 21 Aug 2024 at 12:40pm |
Dan, folks, So it starts to come together! It really helped that I organized the nuts and bolts as I went and also made some needed repairs as I took things apart. I did replace all the hoses and the belt. All items that had a lot of age on them. New coolant. I took it for a short ride and the governor was just singing compared to the old spring in there. Clutch worked great! It was worth the 4 days of playing in the shop. Dan the shop is always a disaster as projects are in process or are just aging. If you want to see some details of the shop check under Shop barns and varmints... The thread is Shop Talk. Great if you can't sleep!:)
Used a A series belt at 44 inches long. it fit the alternator better than a B series belt.
Tucked the WZ away. Very happy with this repair. Hope to get it to a pull soon. I would like to pull it in 3500 lb class, maybe second gear about half throttle?? Have about 1000 lbs of weights on it right now. Regards, Chris and Cheryl
Edited by Sugarmaker - 21 Aug 2024 at 12:56pm
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Posted: 20 Aug 2024 at 9:43pm |
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Awesome job. Glad to see the thread come back to life and has been fun to read through everything!
By the way, love your shop! Looks spectacular!!!
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Posted: 20 Aug 2024 at 8:39pm |
Folks, New std clutch purchased from Sandy Lake around noon. Installed correctly and the engine is back in the tractor. I did not remove the frame rail but did let the front move out about 3/8 inch, and that helped. It was a tight fit but it went back in quickly. Should have the rad back on tomorrow. Then some testing. Also installed a stiffer D17 governor spring. We will see if that adds a little pep to the WZ? Looking forward to some local pulls.
Regards, Chris and Cheryl
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Posted: 20 Aug 2024 at 7:05am |
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Posted: 19 Aug 2024 at 10:12pm |
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ya gotta rock the engine over sideways a little to get it out past the steering shaft. It will go in and out without moving the side rail.
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Posted: 19 Aug 2024 at 8:27pm |
Allis Folks, Well it only took a little over 4 years to get back to the issue mentioned in the last post in July of 2020. Wow! Lots of things have happened since then. This past Saturday I attended a local stone boat pull with the WZ. I pulled in three classes. 3750, 4000 and 4500 lb classes. ( The WZ will get down to 3500 lb.) Anyway it still had the very annoying loud noise in the drive line and was very hard to get into gear. I also got beat by a strong John Deere in the 4000 lb class. I wasn't real happy! Sunday it came in the shop (which did not exist 4 years ago) and I started to take the tractor apart to find out what was causing this noise. By the way it was nice to go back through some of my own thread to see what I had done and or forgotten about the old Allis.
I did something a little different on this tear down. I cleaned up the removed fasteners and bagged and tagged them. Yikes that's scary! I also fixed things as I took things apart too. Wow! I even impressed myself!
The bottom sections of the old rad were flopping around. I tacked in a piece of steel across to stiffen and keep this from getting in the fan.
Going to look into getting a D17 governor spring for the old engine.
Started taking the engine out this afternoon. Yikes it was tight. loosened the left frame rail a little to allow the engine to get past the rails.
So the noise was caused from the clutch disc area near the springs hitting the bolt heads holding the flywheel in place. Also one of the portions of the old clutch fell off. The flywheel face and 9 spring pressure plate look good. Have to still check the pilot bushing and throw out bearing. But I believe we have found the noise problem!
I took Cheryl out for a nice dinner at a fancy restaurant. That's what we are supposed to do! Regards, Chris and Cheryl
Edited by Sugarmaker - 19 Aug 2024 at 8:29pm
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Posted: 21 Jul 2020 at 6:19am |
Dr, Thank you for the comment! I haven't seen a button clutch. I does have what I believe is a 9 spring pressure plate. Should I be able to see the difference from the underside of the tractor through the inspection hole? Its a fairly loud whine/growl/ vibration as the foot clutch is engaged. If the tractor is not in gear engine running and you work the foot clutch there is no noise. Regards, Chris
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Posted: 20 Jul 2020 at 6:34am |
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Sounds like a button type clutch disc noise ??
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Posted: 19 Jul 2020 at 9:45pm |
Folks, This WZ tractor has a problem in the drive line that I need some help from the experts on. Tractor running. Push in foot clutch put in gear. Hand clutch is engaged. Let foot clutch out slow and there is a growling noise in the clutch area or drive line. If you disengage the hand clutch and let the foot clutch out while in gear, then pull back the hand clutch there is no noise. Would this be the pilot bushing in the flywheel? or the small bushing between the front and rear drive shaft? Tractor tries to move just a little when the hand clutch is disengaged. and the foot clutch is let out. Just a little movement of the machine, like the hand clutch is trying to grab? I have greased the throw out bearing. That did not seem to help Regards, Chris
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Posted: 28 Jun 2020 at 11:15pm |
Well I thought we’d see some pulling pics but this is cool too. 
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Posted: 28 Jun 2020 at 9:03pm |
Dave, Mike, No I did not load up and go. Was very wet the night before and were predicting rain at pull time too. I whimped out and did some other tasks. The WZ was called in to service to pull down some dead ash trees that my son was cutting for fire wood. I dug some pretty good ruts!:) Will see if I got any pictures? Well I did not do good and get any WZ pictures. But here is one with Eric on the old WD wide front.
Regards, Chris
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Posted: 28 Jun 2020 at 7:09pm |
Most pulls here are "stone" boat on dirt events. Don't use stones anymore - all concrete blocks, now. Nothing like watching (and watching and watching and...) a tractor calmly pulling that boat 100' in 1st gear. My wife says it's like watching paint dry. 
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Posted: 28 Jun 2020 at 6:10pm |
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Chris...did you take this beautiful machine to the pull? Any pics or vids?
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Posted: 26 Jun 2020 at 8:30pm |
Folks, First pull of the year in our area is tomorrow. May take this old WZ. I have a bunch of weights for it. Would also like to see what it weighs with the new rear wheels (solid not spin out). I believe I will be a little less than 3500 and may need to add some weights.
The pull is a stone boat on dirt I think. I have never tried that. Might be able to get the light pulls in before the predicted rains. I still have those set of good spin out 28 inch rims. I should probably sell. Dont really need them for a tractor now! Regards, Chris
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Posted: 16 Jun 2020 at 8:44pm |
Mike, Folks, Thanks. Yea I should have a set of those pliers too. But I don't so I still get it done just not as easy! Regards, Chris
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Posted: 16 Jun 2020 at 8:30am |
Good work, (as always) Chris. Your homemade gaskets look great. Local Agco dealer still stocks them here, just picked up a set for the D-17.
There are 'snap-ring pliers' available for that style of ring. I have a couple pair, they work good.
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Posted: 15 Jun 2020 at 8:23pm |
Folks, Well the broken WZ is coming back together:
Found the gaskets for the oil sumps in a roll of 3/32 gasket material:
I missed one hole some how:
Pulled in the new seals I did not put any sealer around the o.d.
Used a piece of PVC to stage the spacer, bull gear, and snap ring:
Used guide pins to position the pans:
Got the inside small bearings in place, installed bolt washers and shim, then cap. Wheels reinstalled and took it for a ride. All seemed good! No leaks yet! Thanks for checking in on me! Regards, Chris
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Posted: 11 Jun 2020 at 5:00pm |
Dave, Thanks I did not know that trick. Yes I miss Don (MO) and his wisdom and friendship! I did have the side trumpets off my 45 but it needed brakes and seals and brake drum. Trying to not do as much work on this tractor. Took the day off and worked on a steel project for the proposed shop. Regards, Chris
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Chris, your posts are always awesome.One trick from our late friend Don, is take the mounting bolts and studs out ,if the studs will come loose,at the differential case and rotate the final 180.Now you don't have to stand on your head to get at that snap ring or balance the bull gear on a jack.Anyway keep us updated. By the way that rear support is a pretty darn slick set up.
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Posted: 11 Jun 2020 at 8:38am |
Folks, Couple things: I checked the engine oil and it had a very slight gray tint to it. Thought I might have a water problem. I drained some oil from the sump and let it set for a day and did not see any water.
But after running it a little I check the dip stick again and it just looks like very clean fresh oil! 
Next: Cooper's WZ is in the shop. OK its not in the shop because I dont have one yet! With the very warm weather and a couple test drives I had massive amounts of oil coming out of both final drives. Worse than any I had seen. I knew the seals were leaking some when I changed the wheels.
So time to fix/ improve/ reduce the leaks! Didn't really want to do this but decided no one else was going to do it. So just started into the project of rear final drive lower seal replacement. Probably the only good news is that this is the 4th time so the moves are known: Pulled off the weight bracket where the rock shaft mounts, then raise tractor and install rear support:
Rears off and cleaned up:
Pans pulled to drain over night. Temps were in 80's, nice evening to work under the stars!
The fluid looked like brown 5 weight oil. Nasty stuff! next up pull the axles. If some one made a snap ring tool for these and then just let every one use it sure would make life easier! That may be the hardest part of the job for me. Any good tricks besides s couple screwdrivers?
As you can see I waited till the sun was directly overhead the next day, so I could have it shining directly int my eyes as I worked on getting those snap rings off. Of course the occasional drop of oil in the eye helps move things along too! I tried tapping, ok beating on the bolt to move the final drive out. no go. decided to try a different approach. the port-a-power even groaned a little. But sure enough it eased out of its home position. I was rather proud I had though of this. A spot under the rear end worked perfect to push against. I was a little worried I might break a casting!
Also the port a power fit right through the small bearing cone:
Right side popped right out very easy compared to the left:
Support the bull gear with a floor jack: pull the final splined axle:
There was wear and a step in the seal surface about .010 deep.
The old seal National 55009? Both were pretty well shot. I tapped them out using a block of wood from the inside. The springs were exposed and the sealing surface not good.
Took the axles to machine shop and will have them turned under sized to clean up and add a small lead to slide inside the new seal. The shaft was 2.750 dia will turn to 2.690. New seals will be 2.688 I.D x 3.875 o.d. x .469 thick. Ordered those through Kaman industries and they will ship direct to house.
Bearings: Well This tractor is going to be a dedicated puller so I was trying to keep it low budget. Checked the bearings and races. Big outer cones were fine. Left outer race had just a small pit size of a pin head that I emery clothed smooth. Left outer race had a bad spot, so I pushed it out with the air hammer and replaced with a better race from my my uncles WD finals. The right inner cone had several bearings with pits. Replaced that with a used cone from my Dads WD. Yes I know, I'm in there and it should be all new, but sometimes a guy just has to draw the line. :)
Another item: Right upper cover had ear broke off and two top bolts broke off too. I have no idea how this would happen?
I went to the parts tractor and pulled off the remaining cover: Then removed the broken one and attacked the broken bolts. The one on the back was loose and was removed by hand. The front one was broken flush. I drilled about a 3/16 hole through it and grabbed the never work easy out. Well low and behold it took a little pressure and backed right out too! Amazing!
Re used the shim pack added sealer;
All better in that cover area;
Thanks for checking in on me! Hope things are good in ORANGE land.
Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 11 Jun 2020 at 8:44am
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Posted: 13 Apr 2020 at 7:11pm |
Folks, Shot of Grandson Mike and Great grand daughter Chloe on the WZ. They were testing on it a little. She likes it! Guess were going to keep it for a while!
Mike, Yes I have been eyeballing the painted rims on the D17 front too. They might look good swapped with these original rims? Regards, Chris
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Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 6:57am |
Mike, Thanks! I like to similar things that your into on your 19 when I get a new unit. Now I am getting old and have CRS. I dont remember if I did any of that on this WZ?:) Rainy, nasty, cold here this morning, it would be perfect for making syrup. Thinking hard on a new shed to hold some of these big toys too. Oh just turned to snow flurries here on the hill too, supposed to have sunny skies in a couple hours! Perfect! Regards, Chris
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That looks good to me Chris,I like it a lot....but I think I would have to do the front wheels at some point during some free time.Good looking set of wheels with aged sheet metal and a grunt under the hood,oh yeah true rat rod form right there and don’t forget that open chrome pipe too for that extra 15-20 hp😬
The D19 is coming along,gotta swap one front tire and get some rear fenders and it’ll be good.Dumped all the oil,new plugs and wires,belts,hoses. Just going through the mechanics and changing out the worn stuff,along with a few new bits and pieces.
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Posted: 08 Apr 2020 at 9:27pm |
Thanks Mike, Folks, Several moves on the WZ tractor. Picked up 2, 9/16-18 bolts and made studs to ease the mounting of the wheels. That worked slick thanks to who ever suggested that!
Clearance to fender looks ok:
Installed wheelie bars and checked the dimension from ground to pad. Right on the 10 inch dimension. Also checked the width over the tries and it will still fit on the trailer! Let air out of the tires down to appropriate pressure. Then moved the "D" ring under the drawbar to get it to the 17 inch dimension.
These rims may take a little getting used to? But all things fit up good. Took it for a run down the road and back. No issues. Good for testing at a track in the future.
Regards, Chris
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I use to have a timing light with a digital tach built in, was kind of handy but the thing was a total POS. Crapped out just out of warranty.
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Posted: 08 Apr 2020 at 8:58am |
IBWD Mike, I do have a D17 governor spring here somewhere. Have no idea whats in there now. Since it looks like some of the items were moved from a WD45 block to this engine. At some point I need to get a tool to check RPM's. and then go from there. Goal would be to set the RPM's at the 10% higher than factory spec. Which I would have to find because I dont have that memorized.:) Regards. Chris
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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